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Hey everyone, are you ready for the next discussion and poll update?

The past two discussions that were posted about a month ago went well and it seems that many of you were interested in them. If you guys remember, the first discussion thread that I created was “<a href=http://kh2.co.uk/index.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1218776962&archive=&start_from=&ucat=& target=”target=”blank”>Who is the 14th Member?</a>” Two weeks later I added another thread which was titled “<a href=http://kh2.co.uk/index.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1220075477&archive=&start_from=&ucat=& target=”_blank”>Whose storyline in KH: Birth By Sleep are you most interested in?</a>”

So, the <b>Tokyo Game Show</b> ended about two days ago in Japan. I thought it would be a perfect idea to have a discussion based on something that was shown at the event.

Xion seems to be a <b>MAJOR</b> concern in our forums. That’s why I thought that the next discussion should be concerning Xion again. So, the question is “Who’s Xions’ Important Friend?” The translation that I got from the Japanese blogs mentioned that Xion was having a conversation with Riku. Later Riku asked her to return to old form, but she couldn’t disappear because she has an important friend. So, who do you think is her important friend?

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If I recall correctly, in KH2FM when Xehanort goes to Ansem the wise's computer room and goes underground, he says to Aqua's armor something about an old friend...

Maybe a connection?

I think that they all have changed names in 358/2 Days and Birth By Sleep. I think Roxas is Ven, Xion is Aqua, and then there's Terra, who doesn't seem to have a other. Also I read somewhere that Xion will go up to Roxas and talk to him about remembering his true name like in that thing at the beginning of KH2(i kno wut ur thinking, i think that wuz them 2), and they will see Terra. Also I read that Namine is not Kairi's true Nobody and it is really Aqua(Xion). That's just what I read.

I think its someone else becauase so far Axel and Xion dont seem to be the best of friends. And I dont think Its Roxas because that would seem to obvius. I consider Namine to be her important friend because Namine seems somewhat close to Xion and the (slight) resemblance to kairi that she has.

EDIT: Oh, read the topic wrong. My bad. Her "important friend" is a bit vague and sounds like it was translated out of context. It might be something else. But, I bet it'll be an existing character.

I don't think it is Axel or Roxas, because that would be too easy.
Also I can't imagin it to be anyone in the orginization.
The only "friend" i can think of is Sora, but that doesn't seem to be realistic.
But thinking about it, it "could be Xemnas, or at least xehanort, IF she has a link between her and Aqua that is.

I can't seem to see who her "friend" is. but it is diffently not Axel, Roxas, Sora.

Just thought of something maybe her friend is king Mickey, I don't like to speculate in such a matter but I think it is a possibility.

'Kay. So, Riku wants Xion to return to her "other form", right? It probably isn't Aqua, because she looked older than Kairi, but isn't Xion just like Kari, but with deffering hair and skin tone? And then, Aqua would be even older becasue BBS takes place in the past. So, maybe, Xion IS Kairi. I dunno how she would "transform" like that(similiar to Rikunort?) but we don't really know what happened to her in between KH1 and KH2. so the only way she can become herself again is by losing her Xion persona, but she can't becasue she has bonded her heart to someone else as Xion. So, I don't think teh "friend" is Namine, becasue A.) Namine is pretty busy during this time period and B.) She prabably would have remembered Namine upon meeting her again in KH2, unless of course, Namine pulled a memory trick on her. But then again, it's hard to forget someone who is yourself.
Ooh! Maybe, if she really Is Kairi, then Xion sort of remembered Sora, and that was the only way she could, due to the whole memory loss thing. So she has this one goal that defines her being: to find him! Maybe that's how she became a nobody, what with all the heart-maneuvering going on right then, and then forgetting sora, because Sora was the light of her heart, and she had only light.
Also, that picture in the latest update sort of reminds me of Kari's old hair, from the last time we saw her in KH1. The blue eyes and darkened skin are reminiscient of Sora, just like how Namine has sora's eyes and Roxas's hair(not quite), but Kairi's skin, because she was made from Sora's body.

that was a lot of typing.

You sure sound confused, so I'll help you out.
1. Roxas isn't Ven. Nomura said they have a connection, but they're not the same person.
2. Nomura said that Xion isn't Aqua.
3. If you're talking about when their were the 2 hooded figured in KH2 and their conversation was something along the lines of: "I've been to see him. He looks a lot like you." "Who are you?" "I'm what's left, or maybe I'm all there ever was. What about you, do you remember your true name?" If that's what you're talking about, that was Roxas and Xemnas. It would be weird if Xion's voice was that deep.
4. And no, Namine is Kairi's nobody.


Actually we do know what Kairi was doing. She was stuck on Destiny Islands wondering where on earth Sora and Riku were. Anyway, with Riku, it made sense because Xeahnort's heart was inside of him.

Sorry to have rambled on, but I was in the mood. Anyway, I think it's either Namine, or a new character.

O_o You just made me think of something to support my Kairi theory. We've seen Xion with a Keyblade, right? Was it the light Kingdom Key or the dark one? I can't remember, but we DO know that Kairi can wield a Keyblade, for whatever reason. that might be where Xion gets her powers, instead of borrowing them from Sora, seeing as Roxas is already doing that, and so is Riku, sort of. Hm, maybe she gets that power from being a princess of light, therefor the Keyblade of light has no objection to her. That doesn't expplain how Riku handed it to her, but whatever.
ps, gomenasai for being so off-topic. Most of what I said is suport for my Sora-is-the-friend theory, but i can see how it could be a distraction.

What if it's Kairi!?
....only not really...
That'd be kinda sorta impossible maybe.

I'm not confusing at all!
...I have no idea who it could be, honestly haha

I have a very strong suspicion that Xion's "important friend" is Namine.

Either that or it is Xehanort's Nobody, Xemnas. If Xion is somehow related to Aqua and I suspect that she is, then it would only make sense. In KH2 Final Mix+, Xemnas goes into the Room of Sleep and we get to see Aqua's armor and keyblade there. Xemnas calls the armor "friend" in that scene.

There may be a major connection between Xion and Xemnas that we are currently unaware of.

@The 15th Member
Well, we never got to see her during that time, because she never showed up in CoM except in flashbacks. and, she didn't elaborate on the time between that much. If she really is Xion, she might not remember it. Now, I've never experienced the end of KH1 firsthand, except by Youtube, so I apologize if I'm missing something. But I have a hard time A.)believing that the Islands reassembled themselves instantly, and B.) that she was just transported there so easily. After all, she can't use the corridors of darkness by herself, which is how she got there at the end of 2. And I'd be interested to see just how she managed to forget someone like Sora without complications.
sorry, I probably wasn't specific enought. What I meant about the rikunort was just that, Riku had to take another form in order to achieve specific results and survive. Kairi might have become Xion because the condition of her heart was unstable, and was probably seriously screwed up by forgetting Sora. Since she's a princess of light, losing the one thing most important to her, her heart's light, wouldn't she likewise lose her heart? Of course, she wouldn't really, but doesn't the heart try to survive at all costs? She might have changed her entire being around trying to remember Sora, or Xion is just some awkward alter-ego that can only be explained by Nomura logic. Xion might not actually remember Sora, but she knows that there is someone she has to find, which makes it difficult to revert to Kairi, because she has a purpose in life and can't let go of her persona. Maybe part of the storyline is about stabilzing her and returning her safely, as Kari, to the Islands. Either way, the reconstuction of the islands must be an important point in the game.

well, it's hard to now who exactly the 14 members important friend is but i think is maybe namine
don't now why but just think so

I think Xion imortant friend is Kairi because I think that Xion is Kairi's real nobody and Xion just wants to meet her.

I no it may sound a bit silly but I think it's Namine. As Xion looks slightly like Kairi she could be Kairi's Nobody 'cos Namine is Kairi's shadow and so they may be connected somehow and if you dont like my idea please dont be nasty...

I think it´s Naminé or Kairi. Xion seems to have an connection with Kairi and they look almost the same, without the hair color.

I'm thinking this "important friend" of Xion's is Namine. To me, it sounded like Namine needed Xion's help to restore Sora's memories. Maybe she was the one who convinced Roxas to leave the Organization?

That being said, my other guess is Roxas. Maybe she couldn't "return to her true form" or disappear because she hadn't convinced him to leave yet?

It could be someone else entirely. 15th member, anyone? (Why is there a 14 in Organization XIII? Doesn't that defeat the purpose - like a four-book trilogy?) Just kidding!

I also don't think that 358/2 Days has much to do with Birth By Sleep. The fact that Xion and Roxas look like Aqua and Ven, respectively, is either: A ) an annoying coincidence, or B ) has something to do with the characters' ties to Sora and Kairi. ...Unless there IS a 15th member and that person happens to resemble Terra (unlikely).

I know who made this topic and where he put it, but as far as I'm concerned it isn't site news despite there being a post about it on the main site. It's a discussion about Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days, not news. Hence why I've moved it here where it should have been in the first place.

Wrong, sorry to be blunt. Riku gave Kairi a Keyblade that doesn't Nesscessarily mean she has the ability to sudden spawn a keyblade into ther hand, but it does confuse me as the keyblade master must be chosen by the keyblade, I mean you can't just hand out keyblades to people!




We already know that Namine is Kairi's Nobody, there isn't a true nobody as both DiZ and Organisation XIII knew she was Kairi's nobody as she has a special connection between Sora and his friends, so far any known power of Xion is that she can wield a Keyblade, THIS is highly possible that she is not Kairi's nobody BUT Aqua's Nobody! (but explain age difference and how this happened should be debated by other users) but that's my theory

Well actually, in the end of KH1, the island did reassemble themselves instantly. Kairi was standing on this little piece of island and all the stars started falling and the islands started to appear from nothing. And in the begging of KH2 while it's playing the song, it shows KH1 Kairi standing on the beach staring sadly off onto the ocean, then she dissolves and it shows KH2 Kairi still standing in the same spot waiting, which really just seems to imply that she was just waiting for them.


Hello, there is a 15th member. Me, and I'm not Xion's special friend.

There's no HTML support on that Forum, so it has to stay in the News forum. Being in that forum makes more sense contextual wise, but at the same time, this is the place to discuss news posts.

This isn't news. It's that simple. It only just falls into that section since it was posted on the main site. But it's not news in any sense despite that and doesn't belong here. HTML support or not should have no impact whatsoever.

I think that it is either Namine, Riku, or Kairi.

Alright, I'm taking my guess on her special friend is and who she really is

I think her special friend might be Kairi

Could be Namine too, but she doesnt really remember her because Namine might have did something with her memories also and she might go to Namine trying to remember her true name.

I'm gonna be kind weird stating this theory so please dont get mad

I think Xion is actually the nobody of Aqua, I say this, because they both can wield the keyblade. Just like Roxas could wield the keyblade like Sora. I think that Xion tries to become whole again but in a different
form. This leads me to something else that maybe Terra, Ven, and Aqua are all losing something important and in order to save it they must choose someone to carry out their "something" which means choosing Riku, Sora, and Kairi.(maybe to wield the keyblades?)

What confuses me the most is what happens to her? The 14th Member is never listed on the gravestones and they are obviously called Organization 13 after all this happened. I think Xion became a part of Kairi which allowed her to wield a keyblade just like how Roxas became part of Sora again so he can use two keyblades

Sorry if im confusing anyone

What if Xion isnt really a Nobody? That would explain why Xemnas didn't change the name when she "joined" the Organization. My theory is first of all that Xemnas/Ansem/Xehanort (thats of course debatable) and he created Xion from his memories of Aqua after spending time in the Room of Sleep. That would explain why she can weild a keyblade. So her "important friend" may be Roxas because even though he doesn't remember his life as Ven, she feels a strong connection to him and possibly remembers that they had been friends in a past life.

As for Xion's connection to Kairi, I'll admit I'm at a loss. It was explained in KH2 that Kairi couldn't have a true Nobody because her body and soul remained intact even though her heart left so I doubt Xion is Kairi's Nobody. If she was there would be no reason for Namine to exist. Its possible that Kairi may be a sort of rebirth of Aqua considering Kairi was a small child when Master Xehanort was looking for the 7 princesses of heart. Aqua may have been the original non-disney princess and Kairi inherited the position after Aqua died.

(Maybe Kairi's Aqua's daughter *unlikely*)

I kind of agree with you nexas i forgot to point out about the name changing thingy too cuz xehanort's name didnt change. I just think that Xion is the Nobody of Aqua but Xion could of became a part of Kairi not necessarily being her nobody

whoaaaa.... haven't posted in awhile .

My guess is that she's talking about Xemnas and still has some kind of memory of Aqua in her if she is Aqua's nobody which I believe. Just like Xemnas is talking about his "old friend" while looking at Aqua's armor, she could be doing the same thing and be talking about her friend being Xemnas. Roxas could maybe not believe her thinking that he lost all his memory of what was left of Ven if she said something about them all being friends in a past life.

Like I've said before Xion and Xemnas may have something in their head that still is of Aqua and Terra, but Roxas may not. Roxas may not believe her if she did mention something about Aqua, Ven, and Terra.

This is off topic but I dont think Terra is connected to Xemnas at all because Xemnas is the nobody of Xehanort. and maybe Xion isnt really part of the organization she could be dressed up like Riku and King Mickey were for some odd reason, cause for some reason I think Xehanort is responsible for her for becoming a nobody and I dont think she would join up with someone who made her that way. (only my opinion)

I believe that Xion could have a relation to Kairi. I think that her special friend is either Namine or possibly Sora. I don't think that Xion is a nobody of Aqua at all. She could be somewhat of a nobody to Kairi but I doubt it. Terra is connected to Xehanort because he searched for him and even fought him in Birth by Sleep. Xion seems to have a connection with Namine, which could mean that they both were born the same way from Sora.

Holy crap Tman, your lose something idea is way better than my crazy Aqua is Kairi's mom idea.

But just because Xemnas is the Nobody of Xehanort, that doesn't mean he isn't Terra. My theory is Terra submits to darkness like Maleficent says in Birth by Sleep and loses his memory. When Ansem the Wise found him all he could remember was the name of Master Xehanort. So Terra became Xehanort/Ansem/Xemnas but was not able to wield a keyblade after this either because "those who submit to darkness are not fit to weild the keyblade" or because he gave his power to Riku like your losing something theory.

Sorry that was kinda off topic

I'm still going with Xion being the nobody of Aqua ,maybe her special friend is Ven or something.

And the thing that makes me wonder the most is why Riku wants her to return to her other form? Anyone ever think that maybe Terra could be working through Riku somehow and that he misses his old friend. i say this because(off topic i think)
1. Even though Riku doesnt have a nobody what if his nobody resembeled Terra?
2. With the battle agaisnt Sora and Terra, Terra says something like "you're not the one I chose" Maybe the original keyblade wielder wich was Riku but he turned to darkness which meant Sora is the one now.

Xion could be talking about Roxas though maybe she ends up remembering her past and before she returns to her other form she wants Roxas to know about his other form which is Ven and wants them to return together. I guess this could kinda make sense cuz in the secret video when Ven is hurt or whatever Aqua protects him and maybe Xion remembers when she was Aqua and wants to help Roxas return to his other form. (even though they look exactly alike Roxas/Ven) confusing!!

woah just realized something when i said old friend maybe Terra ends up losing his memory that whole eye color change indicates something maybe he transfers are a part of himself to Riku and maybe Terra still survived but with no memories except Xehanort, which means that Xemnas maybe another half of Terra and why he calls the blue armor in the basement old friend because he misses Aqua and maybe the other half of Terra is inside Riku hoping that Xion would return to her old form cuz she looks just like Aqua

One more thing off topic had to post it:

Anyone ever think that the past events from 10 years ago is repeating itself

Notice in KH1 how the three friends sora riku and kairi are all friends, but riku then submits to the darkness and becomes the apprentice of xehanorts heartless

Now in BBS, maybe terra aqua ven and master xehanorts apprentice are all friends just like sora kairi and riku. the 4th friend or apprentice becomes a part of master xehanort this might trigger terra's anger for xehanort cuz he manipulated his friend. the scene where terra's eyes turn yellow maybe indicate hes about to erase everyone's memory. this leads to xehanort waking up in radiant garden with no memories this then leads to xemnas somehow xemnas remembers who is old friend was and that means he is referring to aqua while he is talking to the blue armor and why he needs xion for the organization.

my next theory is on terra ven sora roxas again off topic
in the cutscene where sora battles roxas, roxas says something "why did he choose you?" probably referring to terra choosing sora but not realizing that he really chose riku. then in the scene where terra battles sora and keeps saying xehanort, because he belives that xehanort caused the one he chose to lose the keyblade ill have more tommorrow good night

First how can Xion be the nobody of Aqua, not only does it not make sense, but she also would have been one of the first members, and you can't make a nobody out of a nobody, that make even less sense then her being Aqua's nobody so she has to be Kairi's.

My question is how did this happen, from all my kingdom hearts knowlegde it's almost seems impossible, my only clues are when She first lost her heart, which would have made Xion, and when Sora release her heart which would have made Namine, nothing else is posiible.

So my guess is

Xion = 1st Nobody (When she first lost her heart at the beginning of KH1)

Namine = 2nd Nobody (When Sora released Kiari's Heart from his own, at the end Which would explain Namine powers over Sora's Heart)

atleast thats what I think ;P

In Bold for Tman Sora could wield 2 Keyblades already due to the limit form, but that does raise an interesting point, could Sora wield 2 keyblades because of Roxas or could Sora do it anyway but there was no evidence of this (only in limits)

I'm currently researching all 8 games (I'm including Final Mix, KH:COM, BBS and 358/2 Days)

The games released hasn't given us any information to suggest to us who this Xion is. All we know is that she is number 14, that she looks and sounds like Kairi and she can wield the Keyblade.

Thanks to Tman here, I think I finally worked out the theory behind Xion existance.

Naimine and Roxas were both created when Sora and Kairi had both lost there hearts respectively.

Kairi had techinically had her heart released twice, Once in Destiny Islands and Second in Hollow Bastion in order to return the heart to Kairi. Is this the reason for Xion existance? Maybe.

Could it be possible that Xion is A) Aqua's Nobody Aqua herself in another form

Tman brings up a good point about only being 13 Gravestones in the TWTNW, which questions the fact that was Xion even a nobody? But people might argue was Organisation's XIII headquarters created after or before her departure? (Because they have two Headquarters TWTNW and Castle Oblivion)

Kairi wielding a Keyblade must be explained and obviously Riku must know by giving her the Keyblade (suggesting that he knows what happened to Xion)

So the Point I'm trying to make is.....

Xion is a Nobody of Kairi's or Aqua's that has the ability to wield Keyblades, when Kairi meets Xion she inherits the ability to wield the Keyblade and thus meets her original self just like Roxas and Namine did.

Explaining why Organisation XIII stayed like that (I suppose it stayed XIII even when Roxas had left, due to the Organisation already being established at this point in the game)

Criticize or Agre with what I say I don't mind, but I think my theory is highly probable

way of the dawn i agree with u all the way on your theory im starting to think that Xion could mean kairi but she might remember Kairi, because maybe she is Aqua's nobody. Then again the name change doesnt make sense to me if she is Aqua's nobody, because if she is part of the organization then she her name would be similar to Aqua. Then again like way of the dawn said that maybe she was part of the organization before it actually had a name. But if you notice she wears a cloak like the rest do (duh) but so does Riku and Mickey and maybe Riku is trying to help her return to Kairi which means during that one battle where Kairi wields a keyblade he has knowledge that she can wield one which means he might have helped Xion. So. I'm going with the important friend being Kairi on this one

alright this is for the endless one i dont get what your saying when you cant make a nobody out of a nobody just because we dont know who Aqua is doesnt mean she cant have a nobody but I do agree with you she could be Kairis nobody but I remember someone saying earlier that it said Kairi cant really have a nobody because she is one of the princesses of heart or something (forgot who said it) and we dont know if Kairi could wield the keyblade in KH1 maybe she couldnt and maybe thats why Xion changes to her othe form (i guess becomes Kairi) so that she can wield the keyblade (that last thing i said was kinda weird i think i messed up on what i was gonna say)

Maybe that last thing Terra does in the secret video causes everyone to lose or erases their memories or something? It affects everyone but him. Like Aqua becomes a nobody(Xion) and Xion has no memory of her time as Aqua except the keyblade. Which could mean the same thing for Ven, Ven becomes a nobody (Roxas) but for some reason Roxas becomes a hidden part of Sora and then is released again but with no memories of his past life either. basically saying that Kairi doesnt have a nobody until Namine is released and Xion becomes a part of Kairi but is not released giving her the ability to pass on the power to hold a keyblade.

Yeah, playing on the same theory I proposed, but I find your reasoning about Xion's existance coming from losing the heart in the destiny islands a bit unbelievable tbh.

How does Xion learn how to wield the keyblade when Kairi couldn't wield one herself during KH1?

I'm afraid but to dimiss the reasoning behind it

And you would think in KH1 if Kairi could wield the keyblade why didn't it go to her in the first place?

Hello, newbie here! *waves*

Okay, so, I only skimmed the rest of the topic, so if I'm repeating anything anyone else said, I apologize! ^_^;; There may be some spoilers in my post, since I don't know how to hide them yet. :O

Now, my theory is going to take some explanation. First of all, I believe a Nobody is born when the Heart leaves the body. Usually, the Nobody is born with the memories and body of the person who lost their Heart. A "special birth" among Nobodies seems to result in a lack of either memories or body, or sometimes both.

My theory is that Namine was not born when Kairi first lost her Heart when the Destiny Islands were attacked. I think she actually came into being when Sora lost Kairi's Heart, at the same time as when he lost his own. Namine and Roxas were born at the same time -- Roxas with Sora's body, and Namine with Sora's memories.

But Kairi did lose her Heart when the Destiny Islands were attacked, and I think that Xion is the Nobody that resulted. Clearly she didn't receive Kairi's body (since Riku found it later), and I don't think she received Kairi's memories (she doesn't seem to know who she is), why she joined the Organization after Roxas (since she was born first), and I have absolutely no idea where her name came from. These are questions that'll probably be answered during the game, though, so personally, I'm going to ignore them for now.

To finally give my answer to the discussion question, I think the "Important Friend" is Sora, or maybe Namine. In one of the recent trailers, Namine implied that some of Sora's memories may be leaking over to Xion, and that it could be bad if Sora woke up without them. I think Xion is at least vaguely aware of this happening, and thinks she owes it to Sora -- or possibly Namine -- to return the memories before she disappears. I also think that the memories are leaking to her in the first place because: Sora's memories are within Namine, and Namine and Xion have a connection since they're both Nobodies of the same person, so if the memories are leaking away from Sora, they're probably passing down that connection from Namine to Xion.

And those are all my crazy theories. ^_^;; Sorry for the many tangents.

wait, is Xion in 358/2 Days? I thought she was in Birth By Sleep?

well, i dont really see why her "important friend" cant be roxas or axel....she's not in Kh2, so she must not have TOO great an impact on the story. i'm not gonna over analyze it and say that she's someone's nobody, but if she is i doubt it's kairi. maybe she's a representation of sora's lost memories or something. cuz when namine's talking about sora's memories, she mentions someone, and DiZ replies "she?" then it cuts straight to a scene with Xion and Riku, so i'm guessing they were talking about Xion.

It could be the other way around ya know. Namine could have came into existance when Kairi lost her heart on Destiny Islands and Xion could have came into existance when Sora released her heart and him some how doing that allowed Xion to wield a Keyblade. Although whats next? a whole family spawning out of two people? jesus this gets confusing after a while lol.

As for her important friend I think it's...Kairi don't ask why I just believe so. "My heart is telling me what to do" SO DNT INTERFERE lol