[Hakumei]

It's been a while since I played CoM on GBA but from what I remeber Marluxia's plan was to over throw the organization by controling Sora. I'm not sure if they ever get into his motives or his future plans, and im sure the remake will provide some extra information on it, but what exactly did Marluxia want? I mean, was it all about ego and wanting to run the Orgianization? Did he want obtain Kingdom Hearts like Xemnas? How was he planning to deal with the whole Roxas thing? Agian it's been a while so I might just not be remebering something. Thanks

[Technocloud]

Marluxia wants to get control over Sora, and his keyblade to overthrow the organization. Pretty plain.

[Cryomancer]

The thing I wonder about is why he wanted to overthrow the Organization? What purpose would that serve? The organization wanted to restore their hearts so why woud it matter who was the leader? Besides why was a low raning number in charge? I remember that Vexen brought that up, but it was never explained.

[Hakumei]

The thing I wonder about is why he wanted to overthrow the Organization? What purpose would that serve? The organization wanted to restore their hearts so why woud it matter who was the leader? Besides why was a low raning number in charge? I remember that Vexen brought that up, but it was never explained.

Ya, thats kinda what I wasn't sure of. I know he wanted to overthrow them, but as you said, what good would that do? It's also interesting that Marluxia tells Vexen to kill Sora, but later says he expects Vexen to fail. So did Marluxia even want Sora truely dead? And all that talk about Riku having a similar "smell" to Xemnas was never explained...so many questions left unanswered...

[Apollo]

I have a little theory, I think that he may be working with the

Spoiler

Knights

and was going to help lead them to Kingdom Hearts or something

[Trussyboy]

All in all shady guy

[Hakumei]

I have a little theory, I think that he may be working with the

Spoiler

Knights

and was going to help lead them to Kingdom Hearts or something

Something similar to that crossed my mind once before. I sometimes wonder what if the "Superior" wasn't Xemnas, I mean I don't remeber characters in Kingdom Hearts II calling him that. But your theory is equally as interesting.

[roxas123 2.0]

Marluxia wanted to run Org. XIII because hes that bad-ass and cool thats why.

Ignoring that fandom, I believe that it was actually Xigbar and Zexion who were really pulling the strings behind castle oblivion. Though in FM+ you can see they don't particularly like each other. I think that they wanted Marluxia, to control Sora, but still have him think hes in charge. They were after the room of awakening (I.E. the stations of awakening) Because only keyblade weilders go there and thats where the other knights are. Xigbar asked Zexion, if he wanted to check it out with him, and zexion seemed un-sure.

Then when castle oblivion was created Zexion seemed in control on the underground level. He reffered to Marluxia as a fool who could do what ever he wished. I think Zexion took the offer Xigbar gave him before the construction. He also wanted Riku, because he could sense the power of the Xemnas in him. It would help him. I also think in the end of some form Xigbar and Zexion found out a bit about the knights, which is why Xigbar told sora he was nothing compared to the other keyblade weilders.

So basicly though marluxia was a major part of COM he was just a puppet of a much larger scheme. That is what I believe.

Marly is still awsome beyond comprehension though.

[Hakumei]

Marluxia wanted to run Org. XIII because hes that bad-ass and cool thats why.

Ignoring that fandom, I believe that it was actually Xigbar and Zexion who were really pulling the strings behind castle oblivion. Though in FM+ you can see they don't particularly like each other. I think that they wanted Marluxia, to control Sora, but still have him think hes in charge. They were after the room of awakening (I.E. the stations of awakening) Because only keyblade weilders go there and thats where the other knights are. Xigbar asked Zexion, if he wanted to check it out with him, and zexion seemed un-sure.

Then when castle oblivion was created Zexion seemed in control on the underground level. He reffered to Marluxia as a fool who could do what ever he wished. I think Zexion took the offer Xigbar gave him before the construction. He also wanted Riku, because he could sense the power of the Xemnas in him. It would help him. I also think in the end of some form Xigbar and Zexion found out a bit about the knights, which is why Xigbar told sora he was nothing compared to the other keyblade weilders.

So basicly though marluxia was a major part of COM he was just a puppet of a much larger scheme. That is what I believe.

Marly is still awsome beyond comprehension though.

Wow, guess a lot of stuff is cleared up in Final Mix(or I missed something). Thanks for explaining this, makes a lot more sense now knowing there was more behind the scenes planning going on.

[roxas123 2.0]

Well not really. Its just Xigbar was trying to get zexion to spy on Xemnas with him, and they wanted to know what was going on.

FM+ Doesn't really patch things up I just said that interperting the new info that was provided in one of the new scenes.

[Apollo]

Something similar to that crossed my mind once before. I sometimes wonder what if the "Superior" wasn't Xemnas, I mean I don't remeber characters in Kingdom Hearts II calling him that. But your theory is equally as interesting.

Actually,

Spoiler

Xenmas

nickname is The Superior. You know like, Axel's is The flurry of dancing flames.

[sakuchan]

And all that talk about Riku having a similar "smell" to Xemnas was never explained...so many questions left unanswered...

Riku has Ansem in him left over. I would imagine that Riku would thus emit the same aura/smell as Xemnas.

[Psycho Kitty Alchemist]

Marluxia wanted to run Org. XIII because hes that bad-ass and cool thats why.

Ignoring that fandom, I believe that it was actually Xigbar and Zexion who were really pulling the strings behind castle oblivion. Though in FM+ you can see they don't particularly like each other. I think that they wanted Marluxia, to control Sora, but still have him think hes in charge. They were after the room of awakening (I.E. the stations of awakening) Because only keyblade weilders go there and thats where the other knights are. Xigbar asked Zexion, if he wanted to check it out with him, and zexion seemed un-sure.

Then when castle oblivion was created Zexion seemed in control on the underground level. He reffered to Marluxia as a fool who could do what ever he wished. I think Zexion took the offer Xigbar gave him before the construction. He also wanted Riku, because he could sense the power of the Xemnas in him. It would help him. I also think in the end of some form Xigbar and Zexion found out a bit about the knights, which is why Xigbar told sora he was nothing compared to the other keyblade weilders.

So basicly though marluxia was a major part of COM he was just a puppet of a much larger scheme. That is what I believe.

Marly is still awsome beyond comprehension though.

I have not played FM+ at all, but this seems to fit some of the videos I've seen on KHvids and YouTube. You're theory intrests me and now I wish to look into more when I get home.

[the chilly admatic]

i think it was becuse if he was the leader he could get the orginzationXII to steal hearts of pepole and absorb them to be more poreful then xemnas

[inutora]

no,because if he overthrew the organization,he would already be stronger than xemnas.

[Sun Sets Red]

Marluxia wants to get control over Sora, and his keyblade to overthrow the organization. Pretty plain.

Simple well put; that's basically all he wants.

[sakuchan]

Besides why was a low raning number in charge? I remember that Vexen brought that up, but it was never explained.

Newest members are given the higher values. Xemnas founded the organization, he's member no.1, so he's the leader. Just like Pete (member no.2) is our admin!

[sakuchan]

Marluxia wants to get control over Sora, and his keyblade to overthrow the organization. Pretty plain.

Put into better clarity, Marluxia wanted to manipulate Sora via Namine so Sora would destroy the Organization for Marluxia. I'm not sure but Marluxia should know that he, as well as the rest of the Organization, are not able to wield the keyblade so directly controlling the keyblade is out of the question. They can use Sora to kill other people and open locked doors, but they can't use the keyblade themselves.

I don't think there's much more to Marluxia than the fact that he's a narcissist and hungry for power. To top the cake, he hates Xemnas. For a bad guy, those are all the reasons you need. Xigbar probably has more background than Marluxia, since he quoted as having met keybladers other than the ones we're familiar with. It's too bad he's dead now.

Thus begs the question, why was Marluxia put in charge? Marluxia is one of the newer members, so you'd think that Xemnas would place a senior, more trustworthy member on that spot. One could argue that Marluxia is one of the stronger members, but common sense would tell you that having a really strong, potentially untrustworthy person as a leader of a place of importance is a consequence waiting to happen. Is, or should Xemnas even be surprised that Marluxia betrayed everyone? My theory is that, Xemnas wanted the secrets of castle oblivion to stay secret, and being the person Marluxia is, he wouldn't discover anything Xemnas has hidden.

In response to Hakumei's other 2 questions....
Marluxia ordered Vexen to kill Sora, yet expected Vexen to be killed-it is really what I would do in Marluxia's place if I wanted to get rid of some nuisances. Pit your enemies against each other.

It's a mystery what Roxas's role is in the organization. If you recall, in FM+, all Roxas does on his missions is kill Heartless. I think there's more to do with Roxas's identity-he's Sora's Nobody afterall, and can wield the keyblade. If Xemnas didn't want Sora to become whole, he'd keep Roxas on his side. Has anyone noticed, though, that Xemnas made no real attempt to retrieve Roxas after Roxas ran from the organization? I don't know what I'm trying to speculate. 3 words: I don't know. lol.

[Cryomancer]

It's a mystery what Roxas's role is in the organization. If you recall, in FM+, all Roxas does on his missions is kill Heartless. I think there's more to do with Roxas's identity-he's Sora's Nobody afterall, and can wield the keyblade. If Xemnas didn't want Sora to become whole, he'd keep Roxas on his side. Has anyone noticed, though, that Xemnas made no real attempt to retrieve Roxas after Roxas ran from the organization? I don't know what I'm trying to speculate. 3 words: I don't know. lol.

Some one ordered Axel to recover or destroy roxas, and Demyx also seemed to be under orders to return roxas to the org. And who, but the leader, would give those orders.

Perhaps you're right though xemnas didn't see Roxas' retrieval important enough to handle personally.

[sakuchan]

Some one ordered Axel to recover or destroy roxas, and Demyx also seemed to be under orders to return roxas to the org. And who, but the leader, would give those orders.

Yes, I'm aware of those.

Perhaps you're right though xemnas didn't see Roxas' retrieval important enough to handle personally.

That's what I meant to say. You'd think that the Roxas incident might have been important enough for Xemnas to step in. WTH does he do with his time, anyways? Just, stand there admiring Kingdom Hearts building up? lol.

[Roeboot]

Although its mensioned in the Manga, I tend to think the idea of the newer members simply wanting
to call the shots. There is distain for Vexen, who is the oldest and it likely extends to the first six
Nobodies.

Marluxia is my favorite!

[Kains-Heart]

Ur right, Vexen was one of the origional members.

As for my opinion, I think that perhaps Marluxia was put in charge at castle oblivion as a test of his loyalty, and as he grew in power so quickly, he desired more (just as any cold, feelingless person would) and he saw Sora's entering the castle as a way to overthrow the organization and gain the power he longs for, and Xemnas places Axel and some of the founding members as a way to "test" marluxia'sand other new members loyalty

there is one thing that really bugs me, and that is Larxenes betrayal, how exactly did Marluxia bring her on his side, and why did Axel seem to work both sides, eliminating Vexen and Zexion, and yet recieving no punishment.

and another thing, was it one of the present organization members that led Sora to castle oblivion, or could it have been Xemnas himself...so many questions...

[sakuchan]

Larxene and Marluxia have personalities that would have us believe that they're born to betray. I mean, it's not much of a mystery. Some people switch sides as soon as they see that the going's good on the other end. Selfish people are not loyal to anyone but themselves. If, hypothetically, Axel had a better deal for Larxene in exchange for her help, I think she'd jump Marluxia's boat without so much as a goodbye.

Marluxia was the one who lured Sora into the castle.

[FinalArcana]

You could tell Larxene was all about power. She always had a certain attitude in the game and when you beat her in the second battle, she really freaks out.

[KrisV]

^^^or at least that is what she wants you to believe
nobodies are the non-existing ones
nobodies=nothing=no emotion --- you know what I'm talking about


(If Pete's no.2, who's 1)