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(SPOILERS) KH: 358/2 Days - Official Discussion Thread

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 06:59 AM

QUOTE(Xagzan @ Oct 11 2007, 03:53 AM) View Post

Except many of them were in KH2.


That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that Deep Dive was a concept video. While things in the trailer did happen [more likely than not you're referring to Riku and Roxas], to base an argument upon would be bad.

Everything in DD was just a forethough. EX:

"Hey, let's put this in there to see what people think of it. That isn't nessecarily what's going to happen in the game."

I don't use Deep Dive when I try to make a point, because any of that stuff could be taken out of context and misconstrued. That's why I don't acknowledge Deep Dive as canon, even though half the stuff in it are true.


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Posted 11 October 2007 - 09:53 AM

QUOTE(oathkeepersoravalor @ Oct 10 2007, 11:59 PM) View Post


That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that Deep Dive was a concept video. While things in the trailer did happen [more likely than not you're referring to Riku and Roxas], to base an argument upon would be bad.

Everything in DD was just a forethough. EX:

"Hey, let's put this in there to see what people think of it. That isn't nessecarily what's going to happen in the game."

I don't use Deep Dive when I try to make a point, because any of that stuff could be taken out of context and misconstrued. That's why I don't acknowledge Deep Dive as canon, even though half the stuff in it are true.


In making clarity to your statement, the event of Deep Dive is canon but any specific scenes not captivated in KH2 are not to be reference. But in this case I would have to disagree. The only thing not to take reference, as of yet the walls breaking, Kairi, the dialog and the ability to summon three keyblades, nothing more.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 01:15 AM

i think that the /2 is saying that this year is from roxas' perspecitve. like 358 divide by two, two as in sora and roxas. one story for each, both of their takes on the year.



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Posted 13 October 2007 - 03:03 PM

i hope they tell the back story of some of the order members

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 05:47 PM

I'm pretty certain that this game might have some connections to BbS (besides the potential of the 14th member as a connection).

Roxas, in that picture where he appears to be running in Twilight Town, is saying "That man... he said he knew me".

This could be Rikuhort. Or it might just be Terra.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE(The Graceful Assassin @ Oct 13 2007, 10:47 AM) View Post

I'm pretty certain that this game might have some connections to BbS (besides the potential of the 14th member as a connection).

Roxas, in that picture where he appears to be running in Twilight Town, is saying "That man... he said he knew me".

This could be Rikuhort. Or it might just be Terra.

It sounds more like Terra (or any other character). Rikunart" was during the deep dive event and afterwords, so I don't think it's him.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 10:15 PM

QUOTE(Karas @ Oct 13 2007, 05:11 PM) View Post

It sounds more like Terra (or any other character). Rikunart" was during the deep dive event and afterwords, so I don't think it's him.

That's what I was saying, that there's a good chance of it being Terra.

Makes sense since he'd probably be referring to Ven.

But it would also make sense if it was Riku (sorry, not Rikuhort lol) since he could be talking about Sora. Plus, DiZ assigned him to capturing Roxas...

I forgot that this was before Riku transformed. It makes me wonder who it is that Mickey talks to in the Twilight Town forest.....

http://kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=kh358/scans/kh3582d002.jpg (top left)

According to the trailer, I believe Mickey is talking about Axel to him...

Ooh!

Just checked an old update in kh-vids, and there was something I had missed before!:

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Roxas vs Riku will be in the game!


I can bet that means a boss fight!


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Posted 13 October 2007 - 10:21 PM

i think the king is talking to axel . it cant be Rikunart.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 10:29 PM

QUOTE(gin @ Oct 13 2007, 03:21 PM) View Post

i think the king is talking to axel . it cant be Rikunart.

Compare to the unknown in the scan, Axel is a lot skinnier. Unless that scene is taken place after Deep Dive, it's not Rikunart.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE(gin @ Oct 13 2007, 06:21 PM) View Post

i think the king is talking to axel . it cant be Rikunart.

I never said it was Rikuhort. It COULD be him, but I didn't say that. He has the exact same frame. But it could only be him if this is a scene after Roxas vs Riku (and they probably won't be showing anything after that... but then again..).

It can't be Axel. Mickey's talking about, not to, Axel. And, his frame is way to bulky.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 12:48 AM

QUOTE(The Graceful Assassin @ Oct 13 2007, 03:32 PM) View Post

I never said it was Rikuhort. It COULD be him, but I didn't say that. He has the exact same frame. But it could only be him if this is a scene after Roxas vs Riku (and they probably won't be showing anything after that... but then again..).

It can't be Axel. Mickey's talking about, not to, Axel. And, his frame is way to bulky.



i never said u said it. each member of the order has their coats different from each other.i can look into that .

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE(gin @ Oct 14 2007, 01:48 AM) View Post

i never said u said it. each member of the order has their coats different from each other.i can look into that .


They are not all that different. Demyx and Axel's coats are similar, as are Saix and Luxord's and Marluxia's, and Xaldin to Xemnas' in a way.

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 11:45 PM

im not going into the diff's on each coat cuz i really dont care if im right or not. just look at vexens coat. anyways karas was right axel is slim. maybe its xenmas.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 04:55 AM

QUOTE(gin @ Oct 14 2007, 11:45 PM) View Post

im not going into the diff's on each coat cuz i really dont care if im right or not. just look at vexens coat. anyways karas was right axel is slim. maybe its xenmas.


In what scene? I stopped paying attention.


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Posted 16 October 2007 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE(oathkeepersoravalor @ Oct 16 2007, 12:55 AM) View Post


In what scene? I stopped paying attention.


In this one (top left):

http://kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=kh358/scans/kh3582d002.jpg

For the record, next time just check previous posts.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 01:24 AM

The Graceful Assassin: Actually, that's Xemnas who Mickey's meeting. In fact, Mickey refered to that scene in the KH2 game.

My VA Opinions for this new game, with only the 13 members of the Organization.
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Xemnas: Peter St. Paul
Xigbar: James Patrick Stuart
Xaldin: David Dayan Fisher
Vexen: John Rafter Lee (Dr. Cidolfas, FFXII)
Leaxeus: Michael McConnohie (Master Tatsu, TMNT movies 1-2)
Zexion: Brian Beacock (Yukichika, Bleach)
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Saïx: Kirk Thornton
Axel: Quinton Flynn
Demyx: Ryan O'Donohue
Luxord: Robin Atkin Downes
Marulxia: Cam Clarke (Aoi Rokusho, Naruto)
Larxene: Kari Walgren (Diva, Blood+)
Roxas: Jesse McCartney

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 04:00 AM

QUOTE(fractyl2 @ Oct 16 2007, 06:24 PM) View Post

The Graceful Assassin: Actually, that's Xemnas who Mickey's meeting. In fact, Mickey refered to that scene in the KH2 game.

My VA Opinions for this new game, with only the 13 members of the Organization.

And do you have true evidence to back that up?

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 02:42 PM

Karas: If you mean if that's really the scene Mickey meets Xemnas, no idea. But, reference to such a meeting was mentioned in KH2, when Sora learns that the truth behind the "Ansem" he fought and the true identity of the Organization's leader.
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Mickey: "I know I've met this fake Ansem before, and I've seen the leader of Organization XIII, too. Hmm, kinda felt like bein' around the same fella."
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Posted 17 October 2007 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE(fractyl2 @ Oct 17 2007, 07:42 AM) View Post

Karas: If you mean if that's really the scene Mickey meets Xemnas, no idea. But, reference to such a meeting was mentioned in KH2, when Sora learns that the truth behind the "Ansem" he fought and the true identity of the Organization's leader.
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Mickey: "I know I've met this fake Ansem before, and I've seen the leader of Organization XIII, too. Hmm, kinda felt like bein' around the same fella."
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...that is not truly evidence.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE(fractyl2 @ Oct 17 2007, 10:42 AM) View Post

Karas: If you mean if that's really the scene Mickey meets Xemnas, no idea. But, reference to such a meeting was mentioned in KH2, when Sora learns that the truth behind the "Ansem" he fought and the true identity of the Organization's leader.
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Mickey: "I know I've met this fake Ansem before, and I've seen the leader of Organization XIII, too. Hmm, kinda felt like bein' around the same fella."
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That's not proof that it's Xemnas. It's proof that he's met him before. Could it be Xemnas? Well, yeah. But is it definitely him? Nope.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 05:24 PM

when does that scene happen? i forgot

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE(gin @ Oct 17 2007, 10:24 AM) View Post

when does that scene happen? i forgot

When Mickey arrives in Hollow Bastion (Ansem's lab). He look at the picture, and corrected them that it is not Ansem but couldn't remember who he was until he met Xemnas a few scenes later.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 08:31 PM

I think that it's the scene regarding Mickey's promise to Riku. [Rikunort]

Mickey's face is far too casual for it to be Xemnas, not to say it can't be him; it's just more likely to be the Rikunort.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 08:52 PM

QUOTE(oathkeepersoravalor @ Oct 17 2007, 01:31 PM) View Post

I think that it's the scene regarding Mickey's promise to Riku. [Rikunort]

Mickey's face is far too casual for it to be Xemnas, not to say it can't be him; it's just more likely to be the Rikunort.

As in after deep dive they confront each other. At first Mickey recognize Ansem(Heartless) but couldn't remember who he really was, but turns out to be Riku. Riku makes Mickey promise never to tell Sora what happen to him, and that was the last time they meet until the end of KH2. Meh...i tried. tongue.gif

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 04:29 AM

QUOTE(Karas @ Oct 17 2007, 08:52 PM) View Post

As in after deep dive they confront each other. At first Mickey recognize Ansem(Heartless) but couldn't remember who he really was, but turns out to be Riku. Riku makes Mickey promise never to tell Sora what happen to him, and that was the last time they meet until the end of KH2. Meh...i tried. tongue.gif


I dunno. Probably:

Mickey senses Riku and goes to see him. He hasn't seen Riku since CoM, and wanted to check up on him. When he got there, he saw Rikunort. From there, one of two things happen:

1. He remembers that he is Xehanort, and tries to attack him until Riku reveals his identity
2. He doesn't remember Xehanort, and stands there trying to remember until Riku reveals hiss identity.

Then the promise comes after a sappy cutscene with dramatic music.


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