[jacensolo]

Why does Roxas have two keyblades?

Also Sora has two keyblades when he goes into drive form why?

[Cixer]

Why does Roxas have two keyblades?

Also Sora has two keyblades when he goes into drive form why?

There are theories...but...

We really don't know the reason for why Roxas can wield a Keyblade. Nomura said that there is a Keyblade for every eligible Heart. That would mean that Eligible Heart=Keyblade.

That would mean that Sora had more than one heart inside of him, if 2 eligible Hearts=2 Keyblades.

But if both of his eligible Hearts had Keyblades, then his second Heart couldn't be some random Heart. Which leads into my theory that Sora has Ven's Heart inside of him. It would allow him to wield two Keyblades...

...and it would give a reason for why Roxas looked like Ven. Ven's Heart entered Roxas's body and modeled Roxas after Ven.

So, if Ven's Heart is inside Roxas, that would mean that Roxas has at least 1 Heart. But, since Roxas is Sora's Nobody, he's connected to Sora's Eligible Heart, meaning that Roxas has two Eligible Hearts that are directly connected to him, equalling two Keyblades.


...yeah. Those are just my theories, though. We really have no 100% true answer why either can double-wield.

[Roxas101]

There are theories...but...

We really don't know the reason for why Roxas can wield a Keyblade. Nomura said that there is a Keyblade for every eligible Heart. That would mean that Eligible Heart=Keyblade.

That would mean that Sora had more than one heart inside of him, if 2 eligible Hearts=2 Keyblades.

But if both of his eligible Hearts had Keyblades, then his second Heart couldn't be some random Heart. Which leads into my theory that Sora has Ven's Heart inside of him. It would allow him to wield two Keyblades...

...and it would give a reason for why Roxas looked like Ven. Ven's Heart entered Roxas's body and modeled Roxas after Ven.

So, if Ven's Heart is inside Roxas, that would mean that Roxas has at least 1 Heart. But, since Roxas is Sora's Nobody, he's connected to Sora's Eligible Heart, meaning that Roxas has two Eligible Hearts that are directly connected to him, equalling two Keyblades.
...yeah. Those are just my theories, though. We really have no 100% true answer why either can double-wield.

Even though those are just "your theories", it makes the most sense. There's a part in one of the Birth by Sleep trailers that Terra asks Master Xehanort "What have you done to his heart?!" Maybe this is the explaination.

[jacensolo]

i thougth sora had twokeyblades when he went into drive form because the second keyblade he got was mickeys first keyblade(in the birth by sleep trailer) so i thought mickey gave it to him.
(i haven't played the first part in a while so i might be wrong)

[keyblade102]

I think that when Sora goes into Drive, he fuses with one of his partners. That's why has two weapons. Occasionally it can get corrupted, leading to the Shadow Drive. When he goes into Master Form, he's stronger thanever because he fuses with both.That's just my idea.

[Roxas101]

I think that when Sora goes into Drive, he fuses with one of his partners. That's why has two weapons. Occasionally it can get corrupted, leading to the Shadow Drive. When he goes into Master Form, he's stronger thanever because he fuses with both.That's just my idea.

That's the thing. The reason why Sora gets two Keyblades in Valor Form is because theres two eligable hearts in Sora's body. Even though Donald's heart is eligable, he doesn't need it because he has magic. So, the reason why Sora doesn't get two Keyblades in Wisdom form is because his magic is boosted by a heart. Master Form has the Keyblade boost and the Magic boost.

Okay, everybody knows the Drive Form concept. But, Roxas is another story.

[The Crusader]

Why does Roxas have two keyblades?

Also Sora has two keyblades when he goes into drive form why?

Along with what everyone else is saying, there are other significant themes behind Roxas' Keyblades.
Riku and Kairi are Sora's closest friends; Sora shares some of his favorite memories with them.
Roxas, Sora's Nobody, has no memories of his past life as Sora or of Sora's memories.
In KH1 Sora is given the Oathkeeper Keychain from Kairi and Sora receives the Oblivion Keychain from a treasure chest after fighting Rikunort.
Oathkeeper and Oblivion represent Kairi and Riku, respectively.

[Roxas101]

Along with what everyone else is saying, there are other significant themes behind Roxas' Keyblades.
Riku and Kairi are Sora's closest friends; Sora shares some of his favorite memories with them.
Roxas, Sora's Nobody, has no memories of his past life as Sora or of Sora's memories.
In KH1 Sora is given the Oathkeeper Keychain from Kairi and Sora receives the Oblivion Keychain from a treasure chest after fighting Rikunort.
Oathkeeper and Oblivion represent Kairi and Riku, respectively.

That explains the representation, but not the source. Everybody knew what the Oathkeeper and Oblivion represented. We're just trying to hit the source of dual weilding (in which Cixer completely blew my dual weilding theory away, but it's not a bad thing).

[Cixer]

That's the thing. The reason why Sora gets two Keyblades in Valor Form is because theres two eligable hearts in Sora's body. Even though Donald's heart is eligable, he doesn't need it because he has magic. So, the reason why Sora doesn't get two Keyblades in Wisdom form is because his magic is boosted by a heart. Master Form has the Keyblade boost and the Magic boost.

Okay, everybody knows the Drive Form concept. But, Roxas is another story.

But the thing is, Donald's and Goofy's Hearts aren't eligible. IF they were, they would've gotten Keyblades during one of the many times they fought Heartless. So no, it isn't because of Goofy or Donald.

I think that Goofy might give Sora the power to bring out two Keyblades. Like, you need [blank] amount of power to be able to bring out two Keyblades, or something.
Maybe Goofy's power allows Sora to be able to control the second one, because it's definitely not Goofy's Keyblade.

Hmm...I guess it would go like this:
Because Keyblades are a physical entity, and not a magical one (in most respects), it would take physical power (and/or light) to be able to wield two Keyblades at once.
Donald's power consists of magic, so it wouldn't be the necessary power to dual-wield.
When Goofy and Donald Drive with Sora, Sora gets the Dual Wielding power from Goofy and the Magic power from Donald. Same for Final Form.
The only problem is this: The Limit Form. In the Limit Form, Sora merges with both Goofy and Donald, right? But he only wields one Keyblade, since Limit Form is modeled after his KH1 appearance. Like, some sort of power allows Sora to tap into his old abilities, and dual-wielding isn't one of them...this makes me think.

But, rather than going off topic, I'll continue what I was getting at in the BbS speculation.

That explains the representation, but not the source. Everybody knew what the Oathkeeper and Oblivion represented. We're just trying to hit the source of dual weilding (in which Cixer completely blew my dual weilding theory away, but it's not a bad thing).

Well, I doubt everyone knew the origin of Roxas's Keyblades, but whatever. The Crusader's right, though. In the KH2 opening, Sora is seen holding hands with Kairi (in Sora's left hand) and Riku (in Sora's right hand).
Well, when Roxas brings out the Oathkeeper and Oblivion...Oathkeeper's in his left hand, and Oblivion is in his right.
See the connection? This somewhat supports that memories have a big impact on Keyblade-wielding.

[jacensolo]

maybe roxas's keyblades aren't exactly real but more of creatons based on his memories.
also sora was asleep so he could have used sora's

[Cixer]

maybe roxas's keyblades aren't exactly real but more of creatons based on his memories.
also sora was asleep so he could have used sora's

No, Roxas's Keyblades are definitely real. Though, I agree with the 'based on his memories' bit, so in my book, you're half-right.

See, with Keyblades, no single person owns a particular Keyblade. At least, that's how I understand it.

When someone summons a Keyblade, that Keyblade appears to them from wherever it is. However, I think that you need the corresponding Keychain to be able to summon the Keyblade in the first place.
So in this case, Roxas's three Keyblades (the Kingdom Key, Oathkeeper, and Oblivion) would be replicated from Sora's Keychains. Not necessarily fake, but exact replicas.

To me, Keychains are physical embodiments of Memories. Notice how every time that something big happens in a World, Sora get's a new Keychain/Keyblade (i.e. Sora witnesses Axel dying, gets the Bond of Flame, or Sora helps Simba regain his courage, and gets the Circle of Life).

Now, if these Keychains are made from Memories, then only the person who is in possession of a particular Keychain can summon the corresponding Keyblade.

For example: Sora is the only one with the Two Acrossing Keyblade, so only he can call on it. It doesn't make it his, but he's the only one who has access to it.
Make sense?

...
The thing I haven't figured out yet is if there are the same amount of Keyblades that there are Keychains. I mean, what would happen if Roxas and Sora both summoned the Kingdom Key at the same time?
If there are two Kingdom Keys because there are two Kingdom Key Keychains, then it would work out.
But what if there's only one Kingdom Key? Would it go to the one who's Heart is stronger?

[jacensolo]

i think all keyblades look the same and the keychains change the keyblades looks and abilitys

the memory keychain thing was a good idea Cixer

[Cixer]

i think all keyblades look the same and the keychains change the keyblades looks and abilitys

I thought that at first, but this changed my mind:


Both the Port Royal Keyblade and the Fenrir are there.

So, I think that it works like this:
When Sora summons the Kingdom Key, it appears as the Kingdom Key. But when he switches Keychains (to, say, the Oathkeeper), his Kingdom Key disappears, and the Oathkeeper takes it's place.

I would assume that Sora:
Summons the Kingdom Key
Takes off the Kingdom Key Keychain
The Keyblade lingers there
The Oathkeeper Keychain is put on
--A flash of light--
The Oathkeeper replaces the Kingdom Key

...at least, that's what I see in my mind.

the memory keychain thing was a good idea Cixer

Why thank you.

[mars-mellow]

because Roxas is Special



and face one keyblade







is just not good enough!!!!!

[Triddy]

A page of theorizing, and it's all summed up with "Roxas is special"

Anyways, I have two crazy ideas floating around my head. Both are likely to be shot down by the next person to read this, but whatever. I like typing stuff like this out.

1) Roxas was created when two eligible hearts were released from Sora. Now, I don't think he's some crazy Sora + Kairi hybrid. However, I don't think that it is that much of a stretch to say that a second eligible heart in the mix added something to him that allowed him to wield a second keyblade. Especially since Namine never even attempts to wield a keyblade, yet we all know that Kairi can. Could be that he sapped the power to wield a keyblade from Namine, could be something else related.

2) When Roxas pulled out O+O, Axel was surprised. This leads me to believe that it was the first time Roxas used two keyblades. Axel was his best friend; if he could wield two before that, Axel would have seen it. So where was he this first time? Simulation, where just about anything is possible. DiZ could have done something.

Then we get to TWTNW, and we see Roxas wielding two keyblades once more. Where is Roxas this time? Inside Sora. In both cases, Roxas is not in the real world. Roxas could have merely willed himself to have two, or remembered himself having two. Real world rules do not need to apply to a battle like this.

Of the two, I think 1 is probably more likely

[Cixer]

A page of theorizing, and it's all summed up with "Roxas is special"

Anyways, I have two crazy ideas floating around my head. Both are likely to be shot down by the next person to read this, but whatever. I like typing stuff like this out.

1) Roxas was created when two eligible hearts were released from Sora. Now, I don't think he's some crazy Sora + Kairi hybrid. However, I don't think that it is that much of a stretch to say that a second eligible heart in the mix added something to him that allowed him to wield a second keyblade. Especially since Namine never even attempts to wield a keyblade, yet we all know that Kairi can. Could be that he sapped the power to wield a keyblade from Namine, could be something else related.

2) When Roxas pulled out O+O, Axel was surprised. This leads me to believe that it was the first time Roxas used two keyblades. Axel was his best friend; if he could wield two before that, Axel would have seen it. So where was he this first time? Simulation, where just about anything is possible. DiZ could have done something.

Then we get to TWTNW, and we see Roxas wielding two keyblades once more. Where is Roxas this time? Inside Sora. In both cases, Roxas is not in the real world. Roxas could have merely willed himself to have two, or remembered himself having two. Real world rules do not need to apply to a battle like this.

Of the two, I think 1 is probably more likely

I agree, 1 is entirely possible, as far as I know. I don't have much else to say about it, really...

As for number 2...
I actually mentioned that in the Playable Organization Members Topic in the 358/2 Days sub-forum.
The Crusader explained it like this:

Sora didn't start of with Ultima, he started with the Kingdom Key and it seems like Roxas is the same way.
I think that when Roxas was first born he could use the Kingdom Key and then during the pinnacle of his time in the Organization his heart was strong enough to wield Oathkeeper and Oblivion.

When Sora entered Castle Oblivion he forgot all of his spells, abilities, and lost his keychains.
When Roxas was placed in the Virtual Twilight Town, his memory was wiped clean and he was given a new personality. Naturally, he lost the ability to use Oathkeeper and Oblivion and for a short time forgot how to summon the Keyblade itself.
Axel slowly learns that Roxas is no longer the Roxas he once knew and probably assumes that he can no longer use Oathkeeper and Oblivion.

On a side note, what if the Headstones in Proof of Existence are synchronized to the member that they represent? I mean, I doubt that Xemnas went around smashing the headstones of fallen members.
So, Roxas' headstone could have started out showing only the Kingdom Key, but once he was able to use Oathkeeper and Oblivion the image changed.

Although these are theories, both seem pretty possible. I'd lean towards the third paragraph.

[Triddy]

The only problem is this: The Limit Form. In the Limit Form, Sora merges with both Goofy and Donald, right? But he only wields one Keyblade, since Limit Form is modeled after his KH1 appearance. Like, some sort of power allows Sora to tap into his old abilities, and dual-wielding isn't one of them...this makes me think.

Saw you post this earlier, figured I'd point it out. That theory isn't dead, because Limit Form requires no party members. Both Goofy and Donald stay seperate.

[Cixer]

Saw you post this earlier, figured I'd point it out. That theory isn't dead, because Limit Form requires no party members. Both Goofy and Donald stay seperate.

Ah, thank you. I hadn't played KH2 Final Mix +, and the only picture I saw of LImit form must've been during, like, the 1000 Heartless battle or some other solo battle.

[The 15th Member]

I thought that at first, but this changed my mind:
IPB Image
Both the Port Royal Keyblade and the Fenrir are there.

I don't think that was meant to be payed such close attention to. I think the key chains change the keyblade because remember when Kairi gave you her charm, then getting you the oathkeeper, and the charm was on the back of the oathkeeper.

[negi sensei]

I don't think that was meant to be payed such close attention to. I think the key chains change the keyblade because remember when Kairi gave you her charm, then getting you the oathkeeper, and the charm was on the back of the oathkeeper.

yeah that sounds about right

[jacensolo]

i think the 15th member is right they probably included those keyblades because they were to lazys to desine there own

[Triddy]

2) When Roxas pulled out O+O, Axel was surprised. This leads me to believe that it was the first time Roxas used two keyblades. Axel was his best friend; if he could wield two before that, Axel would have seen it. So where was he this first time? Simulation, where just about anything is possible. DiZ could have done something.

Then we get to TWTNW, and we see Roxas wielding two keyblades once more. Where is Roxas this time? Inside Sora. In both cases, Roxas is not in the real world. Roxas could have merely willed himself to have two, or remembered himself having two. Real world rules do not need to apply to a battle like this.

It just hit me: I'm a moron. This theory can't possibly be true. ASAS/DD prove it wrong. Sure he GIVES his Oblivion to Riku, who is capable of wielding it, but he is the one that summons it in the first place. Theory number 1 is still standing strong though.

[emiel111]

Uhmm. am i wrong? but roxas can do evrything sora can becuz he is the nobody of sora. he is part of sora. taht explains the two keyblades. he can use donald and goofy's heart becuz sora can...

[Cixer]

Uhmm. am i wrong? but roxas can do evrything sora can becuz he is the nobody of sora. he is part of sora. taht explains the two keyblades. he can use donald and goofy's heart becuz sora can...

Umm...I suggest you read the topic before posting, since I've already theorized this. Donald's and Goofy's Hearts don't matter. If Goofy's and Donalds Hearts were Keyblade-eligible, then it would matter, but they aren't, so Goofy and Donald have nothing to do with it.
Besides, Goofy and Donald have nothing to do with Roxas directly anyway, and Sora's ability to double wield doesn't have anything to do with it either, so I don't know where Goofy and Donald came from.


Here, read this:

There are theories...but...

We really don't know the reason for why Roxas can wield a Keyblade. Nomura said that there is a Keyblade for every eligible Heart. That would mean that Eligible Heart=Keyblade.

That would mean that Sora had more than one heart inside of him, if 2 eligible Hearts=2 Keyblades.

But if both of his eligible Hearts had Keyblades, then his second Heart couldn't be some random Heart. Which leads into my theory that Sora has Ven's Heart inside of him. It would allow him to wield two Keyblades...

...and it would give a reason for why Roxas looked like Ven. Ven's Heart entered Roxas's body and modeled Roxas after Ven.

So, if Ven's Heart is inside Roxas, that would mean that Roxas has at least 1 Heart. But, since Roxas is Sora's Nobody, he's connected to Sora's Eligible Heart, meaning that Roxas has two Eligible Hearts that are directly connected to him, equalling two Keyblades.
...yeah. Those are just my theories, though. We really have no 100% true answer why either can double-wield.

But the thing is, Donald's and Goofy's Hearts aren't eligible. IF they were, they would've gotten Keyblades during one of the many times they fought Heartless. So no, it isn't because of Goofy or Donald.

I think that Goofy might give Sora the power to bring out two Keyblades. Like, you need [blank] amount of power to be able to bring out two Keyblades, or something.
Maybe Goofy's power allows Sora to be able to control the second one, because it's definitely not Goofy's Keyblade.

Hmm...I guess it would go like this:
Because Keyblades are a physical entity, and not a magical one (in most respects), it would take physical power (and/or light) to be able to wield two Keyblades at once.
Donald's power consists of magic, so it wouldn't be the necessary power to dual-wield.
When Goofy and Donald Drive with Sora, Sora gets the Dual Wielding power from Goofy and the Magic power from Donald. Same for Final Form.
The only problem is this: The Limit Form. In the Limit Form, Sora merges with both Goofy and Donald, right? But he only wields one Keyblade, since Limit Form is modeled after his KH1 appearance. Like, some sort of power allows Sora to tap into his old abilities, and dual-wielding isn't one of them...this makes me think.

But, rather than going off topic, I'll continue what I was getting at in the BbS speculation.

Well, I doubt everyone knew the origin of Roxas's Keyblades, but whatever. The Crusader's right, though. In the KH2 opening, Sora is seen holding hands with Kairi (in Sora's left hand) and Riku (in Sora's right hand).
Well, when Roxas brings out the Oathkeeper and Oblivion...Oathkeeper's in his left hand, and Oblivion is in his right.
See the connection? This somewhat supports that memories have a big impact on Keyblade-wielding.

...really, read the topic. These were my first two posts I posted.

[Triddy]

There are theories...but...

We really don't know the reason for why Roxas can wield a Keyblade. Nomura said that there is a Keyblade for every eligible Heart. That would mean that Eligible Heart=Keyblade.

That would mean that Sora had more than one heart inside of him, if 2 eligible Hearts=2 Keyblades.

But if both of his eligible Hearts had Keyblades, then his second Heart couldn't be some random Heart. Which leads into my theory that Sora has Ven's Heart inside of him. It would allow him to wield two Keyblades...

...and it would give a reason for why Roxas looked like Ven. Ven's Heart entered Roxas's body and modeled Roxas after Ven.

So, if Ven's Heart is inside Roxas, that would mean that Roxas has at least 1 Heart. But, since Roxas is Sora's Nobody, he's connected to Sora's Eligible Heart, meaning that Roxas has two Eligible Hearts that are directly connected to him, equalling two Keyblades.
...yeah. Those are just my theories, though. We really have no 100% true answer why either can double-wield.

It's a nice theory, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true in one way or another. However, something about this really hurts it for me. It doesn't kill it, as I can think of a billion work arounds, but it makes it seem unlikely.

Let's say Ven's heart is not unlike Kairi's; that it hid itself behind Sora's heart for some reason or another. When Sora stabbed himself with the Princess keyblade, only two hearts were released: His, and Kairi's. Why would Ven's heart not make an appearance when Kairi's heart, which is doing essentially the same thing, did?