[Cixer]

It's a nice theory, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true in one way or another. However, something about this really hurts it for me. It doesn't kill it, as I can think of a billion work arounds, but it makes it seem unlikely.

Let's say Ven's heart is not unlike Kairi's; that it hid itself behind Sora's heart for some reason or another. When Sora stabbed himself with the Princess keyblade, only two hearts were released: His, and Kairi's. Why would Ven's heart not make an appearance when Kairi's heart, which is doing essentially the same thing, did?

I thought of that.

If Ven's Heart went to Roxas, there must've been a reason. I don't know that reason, but for that reason, I think that Ven's Heart stayed in Roxas's --Sora's-- body, and wasn't released along with Sora's and Kairi's hearts. Then, when Sora's body woke up in Twilight Town with Ven's Heart, he was Roxas.
...that makes sense, right?

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Now, an alternate theory I've been playing with is that when Sora lost his heart and cast his body away, it happened to be near Ven's Heart, which would've been floating in suspension if Ven's body was "erased." It's less likely, and I don't fully believe in this theory, but it's another possibility.

[jacensolo]

the ven heart in soras body is good idea but i'm not gonna belive it till it says so in a game


this questions will probably be answerd in one of the new games

[The 15th Member]

the ven heart in soras body is good idea but i'm not gonna belive it till it says so in a game
this questions will probably be answerd in one of the new games

Just wondering, when did we first start this whole, Ven's heart in Sora's body. It's not a bad theory, i just don't see what started this chain of thought. Was it something Nomura said, something the trailer suggested, or just simply a guess from nowhere.

[Triddy]

Yes and no.

When Nomura revealed somewhat indirectly that Ven has a connection to the identical looking Roxas, people made rampant speculations on why. This theory was among them, but it wasn't that popular. Then came the leaked video of BbS, where Ven is standing in Destiny Island, near Sora and Riku, and asks Terra to erase him. This theory popped up again, and everyone started saying Terra simply placed his heart into Sora, or something like that.

Honestly, I don't think it works. However, it's not the worst theory I've seen by far.

[The 15th Member]

Honestly, I don't think it works. However, it's not the worst theory I've seen by far.

Agreed. It's not impossible, just unlikely.

[Cixer]

the ven heart in soras body is good idea but i'm not gonna belive it till it says so in a game
this questions will probably be answerd in one of the new games

That's good, considering these are just theories.

Just wondering, when did we first start this whole, Ven's heart in Sora's body. It's not a bad theory, i just don't see what started this chain of thought. Was it something Nomura said, something the trailer suggested, or just simply a guess from nowhere.

For me, an educated guess. It's the theory that makes the most sense, IMO. At least, more sense than Roxas having only half of Sora's Heart (like, they share a Heart), since that doesn't explain why Roxas looks identical to Ven, who hasn't been mentioned since BbS in the KH series. Ven isn't biologically related to Sora, Sora doesn't have Ven's Heart since both are alive at the same time, so where else would Ven come in? It falls into place.

Yes and no.

When Nomura revealed somewhat indirectly that Ven has a connection to the identical looking Roxas, people made rampant speculations on why. This theory was among them, but it wasn't that popular. Then came the leaked video of BbS, where Ven is standing in Destiny Island, near Sora and Riku, and asks Terra to erase him. This theory popped up again, and everyone started saying Terra simply placed his heart into Sora, or something like that.

Honestly, I don't think it works. However, it's not the worst theory I've seen by far.

...I don't know what you're talking about...but for me, I thought about it because Roxas shows emotion and looks like Ven. Again, an educated guess.

How is it unlikely, by the way? How does it "not work"? Ven's Heart stays in Sora, creating a strong connection and allowing double-wielding. Ven's Heart enters Roxas when Sora becomes a Heartless, allows him to wield Keyblades and show emotion.

Not to sound conceited, but if you've seen better theories, feel free to post them, because I'd like to see a theory that makes more sense than the one I've posted (since most theories I've seen really don't make any sense at all).

[riku rox]

My theory is that Roxas' two keyblades are Oblivion and Oathkeeper. How did you get these Keyblades in the first game?

Oblivion (Beat Riku)
Oathkeeper (Talk to Kairi in Traverse Town)

So because Riku and Kairi are the two people closest to Sora's heart, Oblivion and Oathkeeper are the Keyblades he'd use. He can wield the Kingdom Key because he's Sora's Nobody.

There's my theory.

[Cixer]

My theory is that Roxas' two keyblades are Oblivion and Oathkeeper. How did you get these Keyblades in the first game?

Oblivion (Beat Riku)
Oathkeeper (Talk to Kairi in Traverse Town)

So because Riku and Kairi are the two people closest to Sora's heart, Oblivion and Oathkeeper are the Keyblades he'd use. He can wield the Kingdom Key because he's Sora's Nobody.

There's my theory.

Umm...

Along with what everyone else is saying, there are other significant themes behind Roxas' Keyblades.
Riku and Kairi are Sora's closest friends; Sora shares some of his favorite memories with them.
Roxas, Sora's Nobody, has no memories of his past life as Sora or of Sora's memories.
In KH1 Sora is given the Oathkeeper Keychain from Kairi and Sora receives the Oblivion Keychain from a treasure chest after fighting Rikunort.
Oathkeeper and Oblivion represent Kairi and Riku, respectively.

And I agree.

[PBass]

I believe that Roxas has Ven's heart. When Axel says "You really do have a heart" I think it's because there really is one there. That accounts for one keyblade, and I believe his connection with Sora's heart accounts for the other one.

[jacensolo]

can people please stop saying he has oblivion an oathkeeper because of riku and kairi

we all know that

and that dosen't answer the question

[lllsondowlll]

or, just a thought we are thinking to deep. Would if roxas has two keyblades just because he was in need of it and thus the second keyblade was summoned? It always seems like sora gains keyblades pertain to the event sora just completed somehow. As proven above its not the keychain that changes the appearance, keyblades are seperate entities all together. If sora can hold one of another keyblade why not two? Same with roxas. It only makes logical sense.

1. Keyblades are gained through relivent events and triumphs of expeirences and times of need, the deeper meaning behind this I don't know.

2. Keyblades are completly seperate entities summoned by keychains not just skins or forms of one keyblade as proven above.

3. Roxas is sora, if roxas can weild the kingdom key, he can weild anything sora can.

Long story short, Roxas was in combat, He gained a extra keyblade through a relivent experience he had in a time of need and this keyblade just happened to make its appearance in roxas'es other hand. Point is I really don't think it means anything deep other then the fact the makers of the game wanted to try something blood pumping and invented the dual weilding idea abandoning all reason behind it. I mean lets face it, Sora gains keyblades out of no where without mention of how it was logically obtained and riku hands them out like candy. Is it really that surprising that roxas is holding two keyblades?

[Ruthlex]

Well I'm not sure why Roxas has 2 keyblades but Sora has them because Roxas had them.

Roxas did originally have two because when he fought Riku it was there but for some reason Axel either didn't know or was suprised at the fact.

And with the whole Ven story out there it makes things more confusing and adds to the story.

Roxas must have 2 keyblades because of Sora's memories or because of Sora n Ven's hearts.

What we should be asking is how Wisdom doesn't have 2 blades

[Cixer]

It always seems like sora gains keyblades pertain to the event sora just completed somehow.

1. Keyblades are gained through relivent events and triumphs of expeirences and times of need, the deeper meaning behind this I don't know.

"Keychains are physical representations of Memories."
How's that for a deeper meaning? I already said this, and it's the only theory that makes any sense.

Well I'm not sure why Roxas has 2 keyblades but Sora has them because Roxas had them.

Roxas did originally have two because when he fought Riku it was there but for some reason Axel either didn't know or was suprised at the fact.

And with the whole Ven story out there it makes things more confusing and adds to the story.

Roxas must have 2 keyblades because of Sora's memories or because of Sora n Ven's hearts.

What we should be asking is how Wisdom doesn't have 2 blades

Why would Sora have two Keyblades because Roxas had two Keyblades? That doesn't really make sense, because if Sora didn't have the potential to have two Keyblades before Roxas was born, Roxas should've been able to weild two Keyblades in the first place.

And the Wisdom-doesn't-have-two-blades thing: I speculated earlier that even though Sora has the ability to summon Keyblades, I think he needs a certain amount of power in order to successfully wield two. If Valor lets Sora wield two Keyblades, but Wisdom doesn't, that means that Goofy must have a power that Donald doesn't. Maybe Keyblades need physical power to be able to be wielded, and since Donald is full of magical power instead of physical, he doesn't meet the requirements for dual-wielding.

[Lucifur]

Just like to say a couple things.

Cixer, you say that Goofy and Donald are not eligible hearts. I don't think thats entirely true- Goofy is a pacifist. He's not likely to even want to go around swinging a blade, thats why he uses a shield. He could still be eligible, and thats where Sora's second blade comes from.

As for the Ven thing, I'm all for that.

But this struck me- Oblivion and Oathkeeper are Riku and Kairi respectively, right?
What if Roxas gets his blades the same way- Oblivion being either the winning of the tourny or fighting Axel the first time, and Oathkeeper being the memory of his forever-gone friends?

[LeonBK]

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[Naruto99]

the answer for why Roxas can use the keyblade is found in Kingdom hearts Chain of memories[SPOILERS] Roxas is Sora's nobody from when sora awakened Kairi in the first game and since roxas is his nobody he can use the keyblade because sora can and the fact that he can use the keyblade is the only reason he was accepted by organization XIII[SPOILERS]

[MasterBlade]

Just another theory but i think roxas has 2 keyblades because he soras nobody, and final form is the power of a nobody to wield to keyblades...... kinda stupid but.... oh, also, i agree with the theory that valor has 2 keyblades because he has goofys heart inside him and strengthens his attack, and with donald inside wisdom sora, then he shoots magic stuff out of his blade. Master form is the combanation of both, which heightens both his magic and attack. Final form is what i just explained.... soras power to wield 2 keyblades come from the nobodys power or roxas....

[7Knight-Wolf]

Sorry guys, my head hurts too much for me to take the time to read this whole topic... I may be posting again later once I feel better.

Anyways I just wanted to say this: Roxas can weild two Keyblades becuase one represents him and one represents Sora. Two sides of the same person and all that.

We were talking about released hearts and all that so here's my take on it. I don't knwo what happens to heartless' hearts if they're just slain, but we all know that a heartless' heart goes to Kingdom Hearts after it has been released by the keyblade. It's the power of light found in the keyblade that releases the hearts to the peaceful resting place of kingdom hearts. In kingdom hearts the hearts can be purified by the light and return to their nobodies to make them whole. Hence the nobodies want to send the captive hearts up to kingdom hearts. Actually there was nothing wrong with this idea. The only thing Organization 13 did wrong was kidnap a few people. I think it was cruel for Sora to kill the nobodies when they really had the right ideas.

Here's another thought...everybody here seems to think that people get powerful enough and "ta-dah" they can weild keyblades. I don't think it works that way. The keyblade chooses its own weilder.

[RoleOfAQS]

I think that it's only limited by how many hands one has, and perhaps the strength of their heart. Fighting style may have something else to do with it.

For example, Sora has a 2-handed fighting style. However, notice that in each of his forms, that fighting style changes.

In Wisdom form, it's a more mage-like fighting style. He doesn't really swing the keyblade, so much as fire magic bullets from it.

In Valor, it changes from 2-handed fighting, to 2-weapon fighting. The techniques also reflect this.

With Master form, which is essentially a fusion of Wisdom and Valor, he wields one, and the other (present from Valor) is held nearby thanks to the magical forces inherited from Wisdom form. Again, the techniques reflect this hybrid style.

With Final form, it is in essence a hyper-advanced form of Master Form. In this, both the keyblades are held by that magical energy. This form is also alot more maneuverable, reflecting the 'more mastered' version of master form.


So, from my opinion, the keyblade takes the form of the fighting style.

After all, it's not a BLADE at all in Wisdom form, it's a STAFF!

[7Knight-Wolf]

I think that it's only limited by how many hands one has, and perhaps the strength of their heart. Fighting style may have something else to do with it.

So, from my opinion, the keyblade takes the form of the fighting style.

I still think the Keyblade chooses its own wielder. Maybe Sora and Riku can wield it because they have strong hearts, but here's a thought. Yes, their hearts are strong, but niether of their hearts was able to resist the Darkness on their own. The Keyblade doesn't choose perfect dark-resistant warriors, the Keyblade chooses ordinary people who are willing to accept its help. That's why I love the Keyblade!

[Skyu]

To those thinking that the Keyblade chooses it's wielder is half right. The wielder of the Keyblade, in my opinion, can also GIVE a keyblade or their keyblade to the other person. Remember when Sora "lost" his keyblade to Riku? Sora just gave it to Riku and when he wanted the Keyblade back, he just took it.

Same goes with Riku, he can just give a Keyblade to anyone he wants, he's been with Mickey (probably got his keyblade from him) for a while and he probably got that knowledge from him and just choose not to use it, why? I have no clue.

Anyway the idea that Ven is inside Sora's heart is probable. What if a heart isn't just one thing I mean what if it's in two parts, like one half is Sora's and the other is Ven's? So as to form 1 whole heart that way it shows two versions of one heart. That is where Goofy comes into play where if there's enough power in a heart you can duel wield (Valor Form) and if not like Donald then you just stick with one (Wisdom Form). We understand how Master form works. Final Form is different as I think that not only Goofy and Donald form with Sora but Sora uses Roxas' power as well giving it a nobodyish look and more power than the master form.

Though Nomura said countless times that Ven is not Roxas it could be that Roxas is just a simple representation of him. In other words Ven just gives Roxas a part of the look and skills as to Sora gives Roxas another part of his looks but his emotions so in a sense Roxas is not a nobody of one but two people! That's what I think anyway.

Okay so the idea of dual wielding to me is simple when Sora gets more power form Goofy then in a sense Roxas is giving Sora the extra blade but when the form goes out the blade goes back. Now for when Roxas dual wields he's probably using a part of Ven's power without realizing it. After having his memories erased and fighting Axel again below the building to see Sora, Roxas probably just remembered everything and in that case got the power to dual wield again.

That's what I think anyway

[FlipmodeMVP]

I always thought that it's because they are his Org13 weapons.
Like Marluxia's Scythe, Xigbar's guns etc. But only he can use them, which explains why Xemnas summons all but Org weapons except Roxas's keyblades in the ending battle.

And plus it looks cool and is fun to use. So I tend to enjoy it more so than question it.

[mistriousfrog]

I'm probably wrong here I've only seen roxas show the ability to sustain multiple keyblades.

from 358/2 days I think he actually takes the second keyblade from Xion once he defeats her. The first time he duel wields is just after he defeats her after all. Despite the fact that she took her powers from here and sora it seems to me that he was able to use that power to use a second keyblade. then the keyblades transform into the oblivion and oathkeeper to represent kairi and rikku.

I also have assumed that once roxas becomes part of sora at the begining of kh2 he actually gives the duel wield power to sora. However this is a subconscious power so sora uses goofy/donald to unleash this hidden power and wield a second keyblade for a short period of time.

I haven't played a few of the games so I may have missed a fact somewhere but from what I have seen this covers all the facts.

[Video Gamer]

One thing to keep in mind, guys: the Drive Forms are probably just gameplay mechanics, and might not have any bearing on the story.

[Tanzorz]

mistriousfrog i totally agree with you

i do think Roxas can wield 2 because of what happened with xion