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KH: Birth By Sleep - **Major Spoiler** Discussions

#26 User is offline   Toteka 

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:53 AM

All I care about is.. AQUA STAYS ALIVE.
And from the ending, looks like she just ditched her armour and Keyblade ?

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 02:56 PM

QUOTE(Karas @ Jan 9 2010, 07:45 AM) View Post

Huge news.
Our speculations are correct: Sora holds Ven's heart!
This also includes the discovery of Xehanort, the appearance of Ansem, Vanitas face, Heartless first appearance and Aqua's fate (still unknown)
HERE
Note: Sound is off sync

In that video, it looks like Braig can tell who the new Xehanort is. The secret ending also confirms this. Braig's still a sneaky one...or should I say he was a sneaky one to begin with?

Anyway, so Ven's heart is inside Sora...well I guess that explains why Sora/Roxas look like Vanitas/Ven...hold on, Sora's already born isn't he? So he already looks like Vanitas before he acquires Ven's heart. Uh...yeah. Is there something I'm missing? Or maybe Sora just grows up to look like Vanitas because of Ven's heart.

And it looks like Aqua got herself Erauqs's Keyblade. So she didn't abandon her own for no reason. But shouldn't she look older when she meets Ansem? Don't tell me people don't age in the dark realm.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE(Ryusuke @ Jan 9 2010, 03:51 AM) View Post

IPB Image
I KNEW IT!

And on that note...

I will not look at Sora the same way again (AGAIN!).

This GameFaqs member pretty much sums up what this ending sets up.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage....;topic=53001132
In other words....

Reconnect. Kingdom Hearts
The Set-Up

Kingdom Hearts III
The Punch Line


Oh.
Oh my God.
I mean, I've seen Vanitas, but I never would have put all of that BBS and Coded material together like that.. Maybe the rumors are true?

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 04:41 PM

Talk about complex but now that everything is connected- damn Nomura you had free time. Disney would never think of something like this

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 04:48 PM

My god I never thought I'd say this but Nomura's a genius.

So what do we do now?

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE(Neo Hartless @ Jan 9 2010, 09:48 AM) View Post

My god I never thought I'd say this but Nomura's a genius.

So what do we do now?

Same thing we always do pinky... we wait. mellow.gif

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 05:00 PM

The secret ending made me cry,

I can't explain it, but there's so much hope now.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 05:19 PM

Holy wow. HOLY WOW.
So Xehanort (apprentice) IS Terra... with white hair?

Aaaaand Dilan still has a ponytail. : D

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 05:31 PM

In the credits, I noticed two things:

One of the Lost Boys is missing. (Maybe he's lost?)

My anger about the Final Fantasy characters was softly calmed.


But now another question arises: Who's the secret boss?

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE(Neo Hartless @ Jan 9 2010, 12:31 PM) View Post

In the credits, I noticed two things:

One of the Lost Boys is missing. (Maybe he's lost?)

My anger about the Final Fantasy characters was softly calmed.
But now another question arises: Who's the secret boss?

The Secret Boss has yet to be discovered, but a user on Youtube who was ripping the game's soundtrack found a remixed version of Destati. It is widely accepted to be the music to the Secret Boss battle. It should be noted though that Destati and its variations have only been played in Awakening sequences and at The End of the World.

People are speculating that the Secret Boss is found in Castle Oblivion so it's obviously Naminé.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 06:23 PM

QUOTE(Denizen @ Jan 9 2010, 05:40 AM) View Post

The Secret Boss has yet to be discovered, but a user on Youtube who was ripping the game's soundtrack found a remixed version of Destati. It is widely accepted to be the music to the Secret Boss battle. It should be noted though that Destati and its variations have only been played in Awakening sequences and at The End of the World.

People are speculating that the Secret Boss is found in Castle Oblivion so it's obviously Naminé.


I think it's mysteryxehaku. The guy that look like Xehanort but also kinda looks like a future Riku....

What if there are a series of secret bosses in Castle Oblivion?

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 06:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85W1fp2vN2Y...=video_response

The secret ending with sound~!

I'm glad that everything's connecting. Actually, I could say Birth by Sleep is the set up and Reconnect is the turning point, etc.

From what little I saw of the story, it's very well told, but easy to understand (especially Terra's). Well, not TOO easy to understand. But, easier to understand than the rest. XD Which is...pretty refreshing after all these crazy things KH does.

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I mean, I've seen Vanitas, but I never would have put all of that BBS and Coded material together like that.. Maybe the rumors are true?

It's possible

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(Ryusuke @ Jan 9 2010, 06:23 AM) View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85W1fp2vN2Y...=video_response

The secret ending with sound~!

I'm glad that everything's connecting. Actually, I could say Birth by Sleep is the set up and Reconnect is the turning point, etc.

From what little I saw of the story, it's very well told, but easy to understand (especially Terra's). Which is...pretty refreshing after all these crazy things KH does.
It's possible


Like I said: TEARS. Are there any real secrets at this point? Other than the contents of the letter, which I think ties into whatever Mickey's doing now after Coded. So, all that's left at this point is: What next?

Xehanort is still out there, Ansem the Wise and Aqua are in the realm of darkness, can Ven be saved? And what will become of Terra?

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 06:34 PM

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Like I said: TEARS. Are there any real secrets at this point? Other than the contents of the letter, which I think ties into whatever Mickey's doing now after Coded. So, all that's left at this point is: What next?

Xehanort is still out there, Ansem the Wise and Aqua are in the realm of darkness, can Ven be saved? And what will become of Terra?

Guess it's up to Sora to save them. Oh, and the omen Terra saw about Riku (him having Xehanort like features). It can't be a good thing.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE(Ryusuke @ Jan 9 2010, 11:34 AM) View Post

Guess it's up to Sora to save them. Oh, and the omen Terra saw about Riku (him having Xehanort like features). It can't be a good thing.

If Terra does become whole, it may be possible that his features will still be altered maybe because Xehanort had influence him for too long.

Different topic: Ven's final boss as you all know is Vanitas. After Aqua's battle with Braig (She gets knocked afterwords) Ven faces Vanitas. Vanitas then reveals his face and they are both transported into Dive into the Heart with glass now featuring Vanitas and Ven. To see the video go HERE click on Jan 9th. Forward (__> button) a bit and you'll see the battle.

It also looks like Unversed are Vanitas creations from his darkness, not sure though.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 07:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEuPQ7MsJdI&feature=sub

Apparently, this is the secret boss music....pretty damn decisive.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 07:48 PM

Goddamn! o_O
EPIC

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 07:54 PM

Wow Karas. WOW. That was sheer awesomeness right there. Vanitas' keyblade was SICK. Holy cow, those last few scenes with him and ven just blew my effen mind.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 08:10 PM

O_______O *looks at Ven's final battle*

Holy cripes!

...boy, Sora's going to have a LOT to live up to when he gets the protagonist chair again.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 08:12 PM

Ryusuke: That song is a "love child" of Destati and Darkness of the Unknown, the perfect Xehanort theme in my opinion.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 08:30 PM

@fractyl: You suggesting a time skip fight? That'd be pretty interesting.

...now commencing the wait for the localization...

Boy, even if they don't reprogram the lip sync, the Japanese track doesn't pause a lot. ...and Eraqus' battle cries are hilarious. XD

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:09 PM

Can someone clear one thing up for me.

So Ansem and Aqua are stranded on the other side of the Dark Margin, is this right after BBS ends? Because I read the theory asking "then why dont sora and riku see them there?"

What the hell, that doesnt make sense, they are still kids. I thought the scene happened after Ansem was banished to that place, not ten years after bbs had ended, and that would mean aqua is obviously still alive.

So if the whole "return to free them from their torment thing" refers to aqua and ansem, and if riku and sora are on the other side of the ocean, then i guess it does take place later in the series. Anyone have any advice/theories/etc.?

(And i was puzzled after the original kh ended lol)

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:11 PM

Ryusuke: Nope, that this song is combines the Destati(World of Chaos fight) and Darkness of the Unknown (Sora & Riku vs. Xemnas).

If Xehanort is a secret boss in the game, a nightmare sequence I think, he might have the combined powers of Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:31 PM

Do we know what's in Mickey's letter yet?
Personally, I think it's telling Sora how he needs to save Aqua etc, and if so, I think Reconnect might be the last game.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE(RadarMan @ Jan 9 2010, 01:09 PM) View Post

Can someone clear one thing up for me.

So Ansem and Aqua are stranded on the other side of the Dark Margin, is this right after BBS ends? Because I read the theory asking "then why dont sora and riku see them there?"

What the hell, that doesnt make sense, they are still kids. I thought the scene happened after Ansem was banished to that place, not ten years after bbs had ended, and that would mean aqua is obviously still alive.

So if the whole "return to free them from their torment thing" refers to aqua and ansem, and if riku and sora are on the other side of the ocean, then i guess it does take place later in the series. Anyone have any advice/theories/etc.?

(And i was puzzled after the original kh ended lol)

Because Sora & Riku are on the wrong shore. They're in the Twilight Realm, Ansem & Aqua are in the dark. And Ansem was talking in PAST tense about SORA'S journey. That should tell you something...They didn't meet after BBS...they met after KHII, meaning the explosion sent Ansem there. Remember what he said?

"Anything could happen."

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