[Xagzan]

So apparently that interview with Nomura says No Heart and AotM will be unbeatable going solo?

Well that's just friggin ridiculous. Now I'm really not sure if I'll get this, if it would just be a waste of time to try fighting those two. No way do I know anyone in person who also will get FM. But at the same time, that new Secret episode sounds like it could be very interesting.

Ahh what to do...

[StoryKing]

Xagzan, on 08 January 2011 - 05:18 PM, said:

So apparently that interview with Nomura says No Heart and AotM will be unbeatable going solo?

Well that's just friggin ridiculous. Now I'm really not sure if I'll get this, if it would just be a waste of time to try fighting those two. No way do I know anyone in person who also will get FM. But at the same time, that new Secret episode sounds like it could be very interesting.

Ahh what to do...

Ya, it's gonna be ridiculous to do solo, but it's gotta be worth a try.
And i'm sure there's plenty of people who will get it, it's just there nowhere near you XD

[Xagzan]

StoryKing, on 08 January 2011 - 08:11 PM, said:

Ya, it's gonna be ridiculous to do solo, but it's gotta be worth a try.
And i'm sure there's plenty of people who will get it, it's just there nowhere near you XD

Then I hope it's like Tekken 6 where you have enough people playing that you can just go online and fight anyone at any time, instead of having to actively find someone and make sure you're playing at the same time, coordinate etc. That just seems like it would be a hassle. Though I've never been online with a handheld so I don't know how it would work.

I might just wait, and look for youtube vids later on to see if there are any of people beating those two bosses solo. If there are then I'd definitely get it.

I just can't comprehend how any boss could be worse than the Unknown when you use Terra. It's largely impossible to dodge his deadliest attacks, which all bring you down to 1 HP with Second Chance and Once More, but if he catches you in an attack then immediately follows it up with another, that second attack is usually unavoidable and you die. How could anything be worse?

[StoryKing]

I think the way to make it worse is to give them wider area attacks, and a wider attack variety. It also looks like based on the trailers that both the armored bosses have desperation moves, which MF didn't really have one.
Oh and in the videos MotA doesn't appear to one-shot all the time, but may just hit you more...
but yeah, i think things are gonna be harder to dodge, which was the key to beating MF.
Hmm...
makes me wonder what you get for beating em...
first guess is the Square Enix keyblade Eraqus has and then Xehanort's keyblade.

[Xagzan]

Wider area attacks? I don't know. When you consider how small the arena was for MF, his mega flare and meteor attacks already took up the majority of the space. He definitely had a big attack variety too.

As for desperation moves, considering Vantias Remnant and MF's moves pretty much all reduced you to 1 HP, and if MF's grapple attack caught you you were probably screwed, I don't see how any desperation move could be worse.

Even if they hit you more, I'm assuming they can't break through Second Chance and Once More, so you really should be able to survive their combos.

The only attacks I've seen from AotM so far are an attack like Eraqus used where light beams shoot out around him, a chain attack like MF had, and a seal attack like Terra LS had in FM2. For No Heart, all we've been shown are him doing physical attacks off his throne, and what looks like MX's keyblade storm attack.

As for dodging, unless they nerf Ven's dodge roll, you should be able to just roll through their attacks safely for the most part, like with MF.

[StoryKing]

Did you see the move where AotM lifts a part of the ground up and blasts it with a huge keyblade laser? That's pretty desperate to me.
Hmm... The meteor move and the mega flare were bad, but very momentary.
I see wide, long attacks happening. I mean double the length of MF's blades and he'd be ALOT harder, you'd lose some comfort room.
The reason I'm thinking wide attacks is because if you've got multiple people you wanna hit as many as you can at one time.
I could see NH having a huge swing, he did have a similar move as to what i'm thinking in KH2. (maybe with darkness coming out the blade to make it longer, and thus the swing wider.)
However I see most groups of people who'd fight'em being comprised of Ven's or Aqua's. Terra isn't going to get much love haha

[Xagzan]

StoryKing, on 09 January 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

Did you see the move where AotM lifts a part of the ground up and blasts it with a huge keyblade laser? That's pretty desperate to me.

Yes but my point was the Unknown's attacks already take you right down to 1 HP. No matter what you call it, a Desperation move can't go past that.

StoryKing, on 09 January 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hmm... The meteor move and the mega flare were bad, but very momentary.

Ehh the explosions they cause lasted a good 1-2 seconds. And if he used them twice in a row and you were Terra you were probably screwed.

StoryKing, on 09 January 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

I see wide, long attacks happening. I mean double the length of MF's blades and he'd be ALOT harder, you'd lose some comfort room.

Those blade attacks weren't that bad though. And the length of the combo didn't really matter, if you got caught you just had to sit back and wait it out.

StoryKing, on 09 January 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

The reason I'm thinking wide attacks is because if you've got multiple people you wanna hit as many as you can at one time.
I could see NH having a huge swing, he did have a similar move as to what i'm thinking in KH2. (maybe with darkness coming out the blade to make it longer, and thus the swing wider.)

Don't forget though that that swing in KH2 was easily avoided by jumping high or staying back. And it might even have been blockable.

[StoryKing]

True... maybe it's just kind of a fanboy thing he's doing, or it' just a health increase that makes it harder, which compared to MF would mean you just need more luck.
Well we should find out soon anyways, we've got four days till the games released, and I plan on playing through it to try and fight those guys before all the strategies show up on youtube or the wiki.
I just realized that No hearts arena is probably bigger than AotM which could make things interesting, or just giving us room to actually dodge stuff, since the keyblade storm move has been spotted. Then with the chain attack for AotM could have combo chaining properties where he could hit you, get pulled into you and then combo, or it could seal whatever command you were on.
What do you think going to make them so much more difficult?

[Xagzan]

That's my point, I can't think of anything. Nomura's the one who said they'd need 3 people to beat, more than even the Unknown. So I just wonder to myself what in the world could possibly make them harder unless they cheat and ignore Second Chance and Once More. Unless every one of their moves are as cheap as the Unknown's air grapple. God I hope not. But even then you could avoid it by dodging underneath him or surging.

Even with the attacks you've described, you'd still be left with 1 HP and could then dodge away and heal. Even if AotM seals your magic, use hi-potions.

[Colors]

I've seen the battles already and they were epic, also the person battling these two bosses fought them with one character!

[Tsubasa Uehara]

I'm just curious, do you think the final mixes of any Kingdom Hearts game will ever come out in English and be sent to North America?

[Neo Hartless]

Best bet would be a possible HD Remake. But that's just as unlikely.

[Captain Hazama]

Well, maybe they are doing an HD remake. The podcast on KHU said that Normura is testing out the waters with HD and he'll probably announce it at the anniversary.

[Tsubasa Uehara]

LoveIsOver, on 28 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Well, maybe they are doing an HD remake. The podcast on KHU said that Normura is testing out the waters with HD and he'll probably announce it at the anniversary.

That's awesome!

[Captain Hazama]

Yeah, they are just focusing on the games that were on the ps2 and if it goes well, then they'll probably focus on the rest as well

[Neo Hartless]

And hopefully the versions that will be HD'd will be the final mixes.


Prefferably for the PS3.

[Captain Hazama]

That's what they are aiming for...

[Tsubasa Uehara]

Then, I'd better buy myself a PS3, if that's the case.

LoveIsOver, on 29 February 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

Yeah, the PS3 is around $300 dollars now, so its cheap. Also, you will probably need internet connection to get PSN

Thank you for the advice.

This post has been edited by Shay: 01 March 2012 - 08:27 PM

[Captain Hazama]

Yeah, the PS3 is around $300 dollars now, so its cheap. Also, you will probably need internet connection to get PSN

[Rob]

Would be funny if they announced the HD remaster at the KH3D premiere event this saturday. lol

[Tsubasa Uehara]

I just hope it doesn't come out too early because I still need to get the console for it (hoping it is a PS3).

[Rob]

Tsubasa Uehara, on 01 March 2012 - 05:36 AM, said:

I just hope it doesn't come out too early because I still need to get the console for it (hoping it is a PS3).

It'll be on PS3 for sure.

[Day]

This is a pretty old post. People are still talking on here?

[Tsubasa Uehara]

I didn't know it was an old post.

Edit by Shay:
It is ok to post in old threads. Please stay on topic instead of spamming, however.

This post has been edited by Shay: 01 March 2012 - 08:32 PM

[Rob]

Same thing I said.

Day, on 01 March 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

Haha, man, you guys.

My response was to you. lol