[Dark Heartless Cloud]

Just something I was wondering...Vanitas Lingering sentiment is an Unversed judging by the ensignia on his helmet...but how is that possible if the Original Vanitas is already dead? I thought Unversed couldn't exist if Vanitas doesn't exist. Does this mean Vanitas is still out there somewhere? and if Vanitas spirit is still lingering around...why can't ventus do the same? why is he in a comatose state?

[Grassy]

Well, the canon-status of the battle is debatable, considering that the only one who could have possibly fought Vanitas' Remnant time-wise is Aqua.

I wouldn't look too deep into it because, even if it did happen, I doubt it's very relevant to the plot. Like, say, Kurt Zisa or the Phantom from KH1. As optional bosses, they may have happened, but they were isolated incidents.

It also gets a bit sticky because he's identified in the information bar as Vanitas' "Lingering Spirit," implying that he's the same type of being as Terra's Lingering Spirit. Yet, judging by the mark on his mask, Vanitas' Remnant is an Unversed of sort, yet we could not possibly say that Terra's LS is an Unversed.

[StoryKing]

Grassy, on 01 November 2010 - 02:00 PM, said:

Well, the canon-status of the battle is debatable, considering that the only one who could have possibly fought Vanitas' Remnant time-wise is Aqua.

I wouldn't look too deep into it because, even if it did happen, I doubt it's very relevant to the plot. Like, say, Kurt Zisa or the Phantom from KH1. As optional bosses, they may have happened, but they were isolated incidents.

It also gets a bit sticky because he's identified in the information bar as Vanitas' "Lingering Spirit," implying that he's the same type of being as Terra's Lingering Spirit. Yet, judging by the mark on his mask, Vanitas' Remnant is an Unversed of sort, yet we could not possibly say that Terra's LS is an Unversed.

Or maybe LS' are just the equivalent of Org. XIII members.
If unversed are fledgling emotion (like, rage, anger, REVENGE) so perhaps if someone dies feeling one of these emotinons strong enough while their heart is removed a Lingering Spirit is made.

[Dark Heartless Cloud]

Yes I was also thinking that maybe the LS is an unversed of some kind. Or who knows Vanitas might still be out there...I mean sora has taken down Heartless and Nobodies. Wouldn't be surprised if the unversed made another appearance thanks to something Master Xehanort did(I mean the guy is basically behind EVERYTHING that has ever happened in KH)

[MasterLeague98]

Dark Heartless Cloud, on 01 November 2010 - 01:21 PM, said:

Just something I was wondering...Vanitas Lingering sentiment is an Unversed judging by the ensignia on his helmet...but how is that possible if the Original Vanitas is already dead? I thought Unversed couldn't exist if Vanitas doesn't exist. Does this mean Vanitas is still out there somewhere? and if Vanitas spirit is still lingering around...why can't ventus do the same? why is he in a comatose state?

I think the LS' are like the Organization XIII. Because in the ultimania it says that. Vanitas Sentiment' is a memory of Vanitas' powerful thoughts and anger. So maybe that's what they are. But if that's true, then the same goes for Xehanort and Terra, who both have some sort of sentiment. Terra, armor (Lingering Sentiment) and Xehanort, the memories that made many people (Ansem the Wise, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, Xemnas)? Well who knows I think they're just thoughts, rage and power mixed into a soul with flooding memories and emotions, but some people think otherwise. It's all up for us to decide anyway, as fans.

[Xagzan]

Xehanort did not create Ansem the Wise, and he simply doesn't have a Remnant that we've seen. Also, 'Ansem' and Xemnas are a heartless and nobody, they're not created from memories. I'm pretty sure the soul stays with the original body as well, and that Remnants are just emotions and/or mind made manifest.

[Colors]

Vanitas Lingering Sentiment is only in the game because of positive fan responses from the Lingering Sentiment boss battle in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+.

[Dark Heartless Cloud]

I see...well with all these lingering sentiments running around, I wouldn't be surprised if the MF is the lingering sentiment to some character we don't about yet. That or just some character we don't know about yet haha.

[Keystaff Master]

Unversed are born from the negativity of Ventus and Vanitas's Hearts. I suppose it's possible that when Vanitas's Heart was absorbed back into Ven's that Vanitas's will was able to manifest much like a "Lingering Sentiment" (I still use that name, sorry. Seems like we change up what we call things too often. 8P) possibly due to the negativity that still existed as their Hearts became one again. Since he was born of that negativity he could have possibly manifested as an Unversed (albeit an Unversed with the will of Vanitas). That's my take on it.

It's been said that the Mysterious Figure's battle is within canon, so who's to say Vanitas's Remnant isn't?

[Dark Heartless Cloud]

Keystaff Master, on 31 January 2011 - 01:29 AM, said:

Unversed are born from the negativity of Ventus and Vanitas's Hearts. I suppose it's possible that when Vanitas's Heart was absorbed back into Ven's that Vanitas's will was able to manifest much like a "Lingering Sentiment" (I still use that name, sorry. Seems like we change up what we call things too often. 8P) possibly due to the negativity that still existed as their Hearts became one again. Since he was born of that negativity he could have possibly manifested as an Unversed (albeit an Unversed with the will of Vanitas). That's my take on it.

It's been said that the Mysterious Figure's battle is within canon, so who's to say Vanitas's Remnant isn't?

Ah. So when exactly does this battle take place? right between the final boss for Terra, Ventus and Aqua? and if Vanitas LS were canon when do you think his battle took place? I mean if it were after the final boss for the 3 main characters none of them would be in a position to meet him, much less fight him (Terra and Aqua in the RoD and Ventus comatose)

[Keystaff Master]

*shrug* Good point. =P

Maybe just the same thing minus taking place when their Hearts recombine?

[Colors]

Like I said before, Vanitas LS is not part of the story, on the other hand the Mysterious Figure is part of the Kingdom Hearts storyline.

[Dark Heartless Cloud]

I don't see how MF fight is canon though...

[Resonance]

The way I see the Lingering Sentiments fights... Even though they are unlocked after the game, you have to fight them before getting to the final bosses... So even though they are fought afterwards, you still timeline-wise fight them before Kingdom Hearts appears.

[Colors]

I found my info in interviews from Nomura, whatever he says will be in the game it'll be there, for example there is this one interview where he said that No Heart and the Armor of the Master are not part of the storyline.

[Colors]

Hold on I forgot to mention that Nomura was thinking about putting these two in the story but hasn't decided yet.

[Keystaff Master]

You really should cite those interviews or post a link to them then if you're going to make statements like that though.

[Colors]

Keystaff Master I'll try to do that, anyways has anyone have theories about the Mysterious Figure, perhaps a new character in the story?

[Dark Heartless Cloud]

I was just wondering how the MF fight is canon I think the only person who would have been able to fight him at the time was Aqua but don't quote me on that since its been a while since I beat BBS and I'm not EXACTLY sure. As for who he is..its probably some character that will be introduced in the next Kingdom Hearts. They always do that: KH1(Xemnas) KH2(Terra LS) so BBS(Some one introduced in the next installment)

[Keystaff Master]

Dark Heartless Cloud, on 07 February 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

I was just wondering how the MF fight is canon I think the only person who would have been able to fight him at the time was Aqua but don't quote me on that since its been a while since I beat BBS and I'm not EXACTLY sure. As for who he is..its probably some character that will be introduced in the next Kingdom Hearts. They always do that: KH1(Xemnas) KH2(Terra LS) so BBS(Some one introduced in the next installment)

Well, I believe the fact that he was encountered AFTER beating the game is simply a gameplay mechanic so, for example, you'd have a chance to go get the chests there before fighting the final bosses and not get stuck having to defeat MF to get them. Besides, I thought Nomura stated that is was canon?

[Colors]

Has anyone wonder about the time ability MF has?

[Ratticus]

Dark Heartless Cloud, on 01 November 2010 - 01:21 PM, said:

Just something I was wondering...Vanitas Lingering sentiment is an Unversed judging by the ensignia on his helmet...but how is that possible if the Original Vanitas is already dead? I thought Unversed couldn't exist if Vanitas doesn't exist. Does this mean Vanitas is still out there somewhere? and if Vanitas spirit is still lingering around...why can't ventus do the same? why is he in a comatose state?

Well it's just like when you could fight the nobodies in KH2 Final Mix, they are lingering sentiment, it's like an empty shell left behind. And I doubt if Vanitas is still around considering he has ties with Ventus.

[Colors]

Is there a difference between the No Heart boss keyblade and Master Xehanort's keyblade, I couldn't see the No Heart's keyblade during gameplay because the youtube video had bad quality.

[Keystaff Master]

Colors, on 25 February 2011 - 11:25 PM, said:

Is there a difference between the No Heart boss keyblade and Master Xehanort's keyblade, I couldn't see the No Heart's keyblade during gameplay because the youtube video had bad quality.

No, they're the same.

[IAm_keyblade_master]

Keystaff Master, on 31 January 2011 - 01:29 AM, said:

Unversed are born from the negativity of Ventus and Vanitas's Hearts. I suppose it's possible that when Vanitas's Heart was absorbed back into Ven's that Vanitas's will was able to manifest much like a "Lingering Sentiment" (I still use that name, sorry. Seems like we change up what we call things too often. 8P) possibly due to the negativity that still existed as their Hearts became one again. Since he was born of that negativity he could have possibly manifested as an Unversed (albeit an Unversed with the will of Vanitas). That's my take on it.

It's been said that the Mysterious Figure's battle is within canon, so who's to say Vanitas's Remnant isn't?

If what you say it true...maybe Ben could use a unversed army for good in kh3...if we see more of ven