[Keystaff Master]

I'm an older member of the forums (back from 2005) and this has been my first topic in a long while, so bare with me. 8P

I focus most of my speculations on the cosmology of the KH Universe, doing my best to understand all aspects of its mythos within the current boundries of the franchise (i.e. with what I have to work with currently). My current delima is understanding King Mickey's Kingdom Key D and Star Seeker Keyblades.

The facts:
We believe that King Mickey recovered the Kingdom Key D during KH1 likely during his journey through the Realm of Darkness. As Yen Sid states: "He found the dark realm's Keyblade, and with it, closed the door." We know Keyblades can be of the Light or Dark Realm and Mickey's Kingdom Key D is proven to be of the Dark Realm.

On the otherhand, 10 years prior to KH1 we know King Mickey was already an apprentice under the tutelage of Master Yen Sid and during this period of time he used the Star Seeker Keyblade. He used the Star Seeker through his BbS journeys. However, we know now that 11+ years later (During KH:coded/Re:coded) he once more wields the Star Seeker rather than Kingdom Key D. It's curious as to why the Star Seeker was in his possession rather than Kingdom Key D, seeing how they appeared to be separate Keyblades before. It would seem the King has access to TWO Keyblades, both the Star Seeker and Kingdom Key D.

The question:
At some point in KH1, King Mickey acquired Kingdom Key D and used it to seal the Door to Darkness with Sora's Kingdom Key and continued to use it through 358/2 and KH2. The Star Seeker hasn't been proven to be in his possession during KH1 or the years prior save for BbS, though it seems possible that he could have. Yen Sid said the King "found the Dark Realm's Keyblade" meaning he found a whole nother Keyblade not a "keychain" which would alter his current Keyblade's appearence (i.e. possibly transforming the Star Seeker into the Kingdom Key D, though I believe them to be separate Keyblades anyway). So the question is: "How did the King possess Star Seeker and then later possess Kingdom Key D?" Then: "Where is either Keyblade when he is currently using the other?"

Possible answers:
1.) The Star Seeker that Mickey used in BbS is actually Master Yen Sid's Keyblade (as he is a confirmed Keyblade Master) that Mickey wielded during his tutelage. Keyblades can be wielded by anyone with a "qualified heart" so there's a strong possibility that the King was already qualified so he was able to use Star Seeker he just hadn't acquired his own Keyblade yet.

This would be sensible, but there are a few problems. Why would King Mickey call upon Yen Sid's Star Seeker during KH:coded when he had the Kingdom Key D to use? Plus, Sora uses the Star Seeker during KH2, but it is simply a keychain considering it's been confirmed that Sora's second Keyblade is Ven's. I doubt He would have access to a 3rd different Keyblade in KH2. This, however, leaves the possibility that Mickey's Star Seeker in KH:coded was due to the keychain attached.

2.) Yen Sid never stated WHEN Mickey actually acquired a Keyblade and it's possible that he'd acquired Kingdom Key D before the events of BbS and he was using the same keychain that Sora would later use under the tutelage of Master Yen Sid.

Though, then it raises the problem of when the Star Seeker keychain changed hands from Sora to King Mickey or why to that matter. Though, I suppose there can be more than one particular keychain (i.e. in BbS all the characters can possess the same keychains at the same time).

Is see answer 2.) as being the most plausible as of right now, but only if it's confirmed that Mickey's Kingdom Key D was indeed acquired years before. What do you guys think? I might be overthinking it. 8P

[StoryKing]

I was thinking about this too the other day actually and i was fairly curious.
I don't think he got the the Kingdom Key D before BbS. Actually in the ending or BbS you see Mickey hand his keyblade back to Yensid, who passes it to him. I think that at that point Mickey used it, until the events in one where he found the Kingdom Key D, and then made a stop and returned Yensid's again. After all Yensid probably wouldn't mind Mickey using it since he's retired.
Or perhaps Mickey tries to use a darkness keyblade as little as needed. For example there's no KH in Re:Coded so theres no need for a dark keyblade and a light keyblade, it could all be done with Star Seeker.
It wouldn't surpise me if we asked Nomura and he would just say Mickey picked up Star Seeker right before Re:Coded starts and at the end of KH2, or maybe Sora gave it Mickey because he thought it was his or something.

[Keystaff Master]

Okay, that confirms so original thoughts I had (knowing Yen Sid's Keyblade was Star Seeker). So this implies that Mickey must have used Star Seeker up until the end of KH1 where he is seen with the Kingdom Key D obviously, though it would seem he must of obtained it during KH1. So, this begs the question of its presence in KH:coded as it would seem superfluous to call upon Yen Sid's Keyblade when he had his own Kingdom Key D (considering he used it through KH2 with no apparent reason for him not to). So, it would seem that Mickey very much has access to TWO Keyblades when he wants to.

This begs the question though if the fact that because Kingdom Key D is a Keyblade of the Dark Realm that its Darkness has an effect on its wielder. It would seem the only other dark Keyblades in the series belonged to Master Xehanort and Vanitas... but honestly that's just an assumption considering Master Xehanort's strong ties with the darkness. However this presents the counterpoint that Terra used darkness but seemed to have a Keyblade of light... I don't know. I'm going to assume that all Keyblade thus far (save for Kingdom Key D) are Keyblade of the Light Realm because they were obtained in the Light Realm (more than likely... God, this creates serious confusion 8[).

Let's make the assumption that a Keyblade of a particular realm must be obtained in that realm. So, my point being, that Kingdom Key D must have been recovered while the King in the Realm of Darkness and that King Mickey used the Star Seeker up until his obtaining of the Kingdom Key D (what else would he have used as a weapon?)

This presents A LOT of interesting questions...
-What Keyblades in the series of are of Light and Dark?
-How does your current position in a realm influence your receiving of a Keyblade?
-Does the orientation of your Keyblade affect its wielder?

Ugh, Keyblades need to be fleshed out more... 8[

[sakuchan]

Sorry, there are parts of this convo that I had to skip over because I'm still playing BbS. But I still hope to contribute my two cents.

Could it be as simple as Mickey having the 2 keyblades and switching back and forth because they offer him different abilities? Depending on who he's fighting, I mean.

I have a wilder theory that Mickey uses his Keyblade D when he travels...as in traveling in the corridors of darkness. I don't think there's a scene when you see him doing it, but I totally see that as one of his means to get around when he needs to resort to it. Especially since he's been traveling for some time with Riku.

[Xagzan]

Keystaff Master, on 29 November 2010 - 07:40 PM, said:

Okay, that confirms so original thoughts I had (knowing Yen Sid's Keyblade was Star Seeker). So this implies that Mickey must have used Star Seeker up until the end of KH1 where he is seen with the Kingdom Key D obviously, though it would seem he must of obtained it during KH1. So, this begs the question of its presence in KH:coded as it would seem superfluous to call upon Yen Sid's Keyblade when he had his own Kingdom Key D (considering he used it through KH2 with no apparent reason for him not to). So, it would seem that Mickey very much has access to TWO Keyblades when he wants to.

This begs the question though if the fact that because Kingdom Key D is a Keyblade of the Dark Realm that its Darkness has an effect on its wielder. It would seem the only other dark Keyblades in the series belonged to Master Xehanort and Vanitas... but honestly that's just an assumption considering Master Xehanort's strong ties with the darkness. However this presents the counterpoint that Terra used darkness but seemed to have a Keyblade of light... I don't know. I'm going to assume that all Keyblade thus far (save for Kingdom Key D) are Keyblade of the Light Realm because they were obtained in the Light Realm (more than likely... God, this creates serious confusion 8[).

Let's make the assumption that a Keyblade of a particular realm must be obtained in that realm. So, my point being, that Kingdom Key D must have been recovered while the King in the Realm of Darkness and that King Mickey used the Star Seeker up until his obtaining of the Kingdom Key D (what else would he have used as a weapon?)

This presents A LOT of interesting questions...
-What Keyblades in the series of are of Light and Dark?
-How does your current position in a realm influence your receiving of a Keyblade?
-Does the orientation of your Keyblade affect its wielder?

Ugh, Keyblades need to be fleshed out more... 8[

I think some of your questions are answered in the Director's Secret Report XIII, especially the keyblade section. You can find it online.

The KKD was the first keyblade in the series we learned was from the WoD. Aside from that, I think only the Way to the Dawn keyblade has also been confirmed as from the WoD. But no mention has been made of MX's or Vanitas'. And I believe Nomura says that being a Light or Dark keyblade only reflects its location, not its abilities. He also said one of the stories he wants to tell is when Mickey's in the WoD, which should flesh out dark keyblades some more.

[Keystaff Master]

Xagzan, on 02 December 2010 - 08:52 PM, said:

I think some of your questions are answered in the Director's Secret Report XIII, especially the keyblade section. You can find it online.

The KKD was the first keyblade in the series we learned was from the WoD. Aside from that, I think only the Way to the Dawn keyblade has also been confirmed as from the WoD. But no mention has been made of MX's or Vanitas'. And I believe Nomura says that being a Light or Dark keyblade only reflects its location, not its abilities. He also said one of the stories he wants to tell is when Mickey's in the WoD, which should flesh out dark keyblades some more.

Okay, so I read the Secret Report (I'd actually read it in the past, but had forgotten what it'd said about Keyblades 8P) and it does clear up at least that regardless of where a Keyblade came from it has no affiliation with either Light or Dark and can be used in whichever way the wielder deems fit. Let's see what we know:

Keyblades of the Realm of Light:
-Kingdom Key
-Way to Dawn
-Destiny's Embrace (though I'm curious what has become of it)
^I say Way to Dawn & Destiny's Embrace due to Nomura's comment "Riku's "Way to the Dawn" and Kairi's Keyblade are naturally the same type of Keyblade as Sora's." If he didn't mean "of the Realm of Light" I don't know what he would.

I assume that Keyblades like that of Aqua, Ven, Terra, Eraqus, and Yin Sed are of the Realm of Light, but we currently have no confirmation.

Keyblades of the Realm of Darkness:
-Kingdom Key D
^The only one that is confirmed.

I'd imagine Keyblades like Master Xehanort's and Vanitas' are of the Dark Realm, but that might just be wishful thinking (though the fact that Vanitas has a Keyblade sort of bothers me... that's another subject, I'm going to conclude that since Keyblades can be wielded by those with a qualified heart that because Ven and Vanitas are fundamentally the same heart that Vanitas can call upon his own Keyblade as well).

So, it would seem that King Mickey uses both the Kingdom Key D (of the Dark Realm) and the Star Seeker (of the Light Realm?) interchangeably without any clear cut reason to do so since it's confirmed that the Keyblade's constitution (from the Light or Dark Realm) has no effect on its orientation. So... why? /=[ Does he just like to show off?

On an unrelated note, am I the only person who wishes to think that Sora and Mickey's Kingdom Keys are somehow more special than other Keyblades? :[

[Xagzan]

Has Mickey used Star Seeker in any game after BBS? Other than flashbacks?

I think the KK and KKD might be more special just because of their

Spoiler

resemblence to the x-blade

but it might mean nothing.

[Keystaff Master]

Xagzan, on 03 December 2010 - 04:24 AM, said:

Has Mickey used Star Seeker in any game after BBS? Other than flashbacks?

I think the KK and KKD might be more special just because of their

Spoiler

resemblence to the x-blade

but it might mean nothing.

I've been under the impression that he uses the Star Seeker in KH:coded/Re:coded. I've only seen him with it in screenshots in front of Sora in Traverse Town, but I've been under the impression that he uses it in the real world (Disney Castle) as well. However, my knowledge of KH:coded/Re:coded is somewhat limited to what I can gather from places like KH Wiki. I originally thought that Mickey with Star Seeker in TT with Sora was some sort of extra canonical scene that actually meant he was present in KH1 with the Star Seeker in TT, but I actually don't know enough about the context of the scene. =[

The fact that the Kingdom Keys look like the X-blade is fairly startling, I feel it has to mean that they're special in someway. Especially because I feel bad that Sora and Mickey's Keyblades have been "de-magestified" by there being so many other Keyblade wielders running around... =/

[haseowolf]

It seems from what we've been shown that there really is no rhyme or reason that King Mickey shows in what Keyblade he summons. It was all well and good up until Coded/re:Coded has him running around with the Star Seeker.

And along with these questions about Keyblades being associated with different realms we are told that they are not dependent on affiliation with said property, but more based on location. If this is true, what does one need to do if they are already capable of wielding a Keyblade in one realm in order to obtain one from a different realm? At one time we knew it was completely dependent on the strength of heart, but now in BBS we are shown that there is a ceremonial way in which to pass the Keyblade on, even if there are some qualifications that must be met. Was King Mickey bestowed with the Kingdom Key D in the Realm of Darkness? Or was he just the one with the strongest heart in the Realm of Darkness, therefore assigned it's Keyblade?

It's all so very confusing.

And what about Donald and Goofy needing to be explained what a Keyblade is in KH1? Wouldn't they have seen King Mickey with his/Yen Sid's Keyblade and asked, "Hey, what the deuce is that thing?" Or is this all just a victim of retconning?

Sorry, had my own confusions/questions regarding this topic of discussion, so I thought I'd throw in some more questions rather than providing answers >.<

[Keystaff Master]

haseowolf, on 24 January 2011 - 05:59 AM, said:

It seems from what we've been shown that there really is no rhyme or reason that King Mickey shows in what Keyblade he summons. It was all well and good up until Coded/re:Coded has him running around with the Star Seeker.

And along with these questions about Keyblades being associated with different realms we are told that they are not dependent on affiliation with said property, but more based on location. If this is true, what does one need to do if they are already capable of wielding a Keyblade in one realm in order to obtain one from a different realm? At one time we knew it was completely dependent on the strength of heart, but now in BBS we are shown that there is a ceremonial way in which to pass the Keyblade on, even if there are some qualifications that must be met. Was King Mickey bestowed with the Kingdom Key D in the Realm of Darkness? Or was he just the one with the strongest heart in the Realm of Darkness, therefore assigned it's Keyblade?

I feel that Master Yen Sid bestowed Mickey the ability to wield a Keyblade, but simply let him wield his Star Seeker until he could find a Keyblade of his own. It's quite possible he was able to obtain the Kingdom Key D in the Dark Realm because he had the strongest Heart there. In the RoD I'm sure the Keyblade(s) there didn't have many options and, as Leon put it, "I suppose beggars can't be choosers".

haseowolf, on 24 January 2011 - 05:59 AM, said:

And what about Donald and Goofy needing to be explained what a Keyblade is in KH1? Wouldn't they have seen King Mickey with his/Yen Sid's Keyblade and asked, "Hey, what the deuce is that thing?" Or is this all just a victim of retconning?

Sorry, had my own confusions/questions regarding this topic of discussion, so I thought I'd throw in some more questions rather than providing answers >.<

I don't believe Donald or Goofy ever actually saw Mickey with his Keyblade, nor any other character's Keyblade as they never summoned their Keyblades in their presence. I don't think it's a retcon (luckily) unless someone proves otherwise. 8P

[Rob]

Kingdom Key D comes from the RoD which is what Mickey went to get in KH1.

[Tsubasa Uehara]

Do you know how Mickey got the Star Seeker in Kingdom Hearts Re: Coded.

[Rob]

BBS explained that.

[Day]

I wanna know where on earth did Mickey find the kingdom key d. I know he found it in the ROD. But where exactly, pulled out of a stone? lol

This post has been edited by Day: 01 March 2012 - 11:34 AM

[Rob]

Day, on 01 March 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

I wanna know where on earth did Mickey find the kingdom key d. I know he found it in the ROD. But where exactly, pulled out of a stone? lol

If I recall, he defeated a powerful heartless that resided in the RoD, which turned into the keyblade.

[Tsubasa Uehara]

Rob, on 01 March 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

BBS explained that.

Wait, so that means that was Mickey's first keyblade.

[Rob]

Tsubasa Uehara, on 02 March 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

Wait, so that means that was Mickey's first keyblade.

Yes. And he was also taking the Mark of Mastery.

[Day]

Rob, on 02 March 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

If I recall, he defeated a powerful heartless that resided in the RoD, which turned into the keyblade.

What were the bosses? The Darksides from the end of KH1?

[Tsubasa Uehara]

Day, on 02 March 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

What were the bosses? The Darksides from the end of KH1?

I think so, but I feel like it's the secret boss (don't know what's it called but something along the lines of red eye) in BBS.

[Neo Hartless]

Rob, on 02 March 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

If I recall, he defeated a powerful heartless that resided in the RoD, which turned into the keyblade.

No.

That never happened.

Nor was it ever mentioned.

Nor was anything regarding the origin of King Mickey's Kingdom Key ever acknowledged.

No Darksides or Red Eyes.

[Rob]

Or you just don't know yourself because the origin was mentioned. It came from the RoD.

@Day

It was never said.

This post has been edited by Rob: 03 March 2012 - 07:02 AM

[Day]

Neo Hartless, on 03 March 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

No.

That never happened.

Nor was it ever mentioned.

Nor was anything regarding the origin of King Mickey's Kingdom Key ever acknowledged.

No Darksides or Red Eyes.

The Keyblade was from the realm of darkness. That's the only thing I know about it. But in KH BBS FM, black points ending. It showed King Mickey in the realm of darkness.

[Captain Hazama]

Day, on 04 March 2012 - 01:32 AM, said:

The Keyblade was from the realm of darkness. That's the only thing I know about it. But in KH BBS FM, black points ending. It showed King Mickey in the realm of darkness.

Yes and it also showed the battle between Aqua and a Red Eyes.

[Day]

LoveIsOver, on 04 March 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

Yes and it also showed the battle between Aqua and a Red Eyes.

What was the point of that boss? I've only watched a few scenes in BBS FM.

[Neo Hartless]

Rob, on 03 March 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

Or you just don't know yourself because the origin was mentioned. It came from the RoD.

I know it came from the Realm of Darkness, what I meant was that besides that, there's no in game mention of how he came to aquire it. Least of all he defeating a Heartless and it transforming.