[Iguodala9]

Could Kingdom hearts III bring in the choice to make your own decisions?
I know Kingdom hearts is all about the storyline, but many games are now implementing this feature, such as Mass Effect for example
the choices you make throughout the game makes an impact on certain outcomes in the game, for example maybe sora decides to side with one of the disney villians in the world and the world is then transformed into a darker 'manner' for sora to make a 'gain' for himself in his quest! Of course square enix will come up with better choices, however it's a thought, and could make more playthroughs to open up the different endings, maybe it's a silly idea.
what do you think?

[Captain Hazama]

Omg, that would be so freaking sweet if they did that. Nomura said that it might happen in Kingdom Hearts 3DDD

[Sorange]

Hmm, I'm not completely sure how that would be once it's executed, but the idea seems kind of cool though.
Sora makes the wrong choices and he gets some scarring on his face. Nice.

[Captain Hazama]

Yep, or make Sora turn into Anti-Sora. That would be badass and his feet would be like his weapons like in KH II, instead of the keyblade.

[The 15th Member]

Hmm... Yeah it's definitely an interesting idea in theory, being able to make big, story-altering decisions like that, but like Jessi said I don't know how well they'd be able to execute that.

I mean, I feel like even in a lot of games where making decisions is supposedly a big part of the game, often times your decisions don't actually effect the ultimate outcome of the game especially drastically. Because, the thing about being to make all these decisions is that it would quickly become much too complicated to pull off it you were making a large array of decisions that changed drastically the story and what was going on. Just imagine how all the different choices and outcomes would accumulate like exponentially and you might end up with like a thousand different possible endings. xD

At least, that would be if it this idea was implementing on a large scale like I was thinking. On a smaller scale... It could be possible I guess. Not sure Square'd try it though. There'd still be a continuity issue in a series like KH, so a decision couldn't alter what is and isn't canon because that would just make no sense for when we reach the inevitable sequels! ... I'm slipping into rambling mode, so I digress.

Either way, choosing to have Sora become EVIL SORA would be awesome!!! >: D

[nova]

Call me oldschool, but I hate that. I hate having to choose what to say, and I hate how not saying the right thing might have consequences on the game, and I especially hate how it de-personalizes the main character.

I don't play KH for the dazzling graphics, and the fantasy violence, and it's totally unique gameplay...
I play KH for the story. I don't think KH could be successful if Sora wasn't as strong a character as he is. D:

So I hope that never happens..

[Captain Hazama]

I see your point, Shay. I like the choices idea but I rather the creators pick it out.

[Ryusuke]

Let me be the first to say, I'm not the biggest fan of where the story has gotten and I only play for Disney and I just happen to find these games very fun.

However, that won't stop me from saying this - No. That's a terrible idea.

#1: Kingdom Hearts' story is designed to be linear. If they wanted to add dialogue paths and that "choose-your-side" stuff, they would have done it from the beginning. Adding it now would be off-putting and inconsistent.

#2: Designers haven't mastered this. Few games have. I'm not talking about Bioware. Those choices can get pretty black and white, and not to mention...predictable. That's not to say the story can't be predictable at times, but they keep doing the same "EVERYTHING'S FINE" or "THE WORLD IS ENDING" endings...it's just not exicting. And considering the story kinda does this whole "choose a side" thing in a very Star Wars fashion, I don't see any point.

#3: It only works when the character is us, the players. Sora is not us. He's a character we just happened to play as and we see things through HIS eyes and he reacts to the events that happen around him. Having us decide his choices would squander what the writers already did with him in previous games. And the possibility of more retcons...=_= and that's the LAST thing the story needs...

[Captain Hazama]

Well, they did that with Cole Magrath in Infamous 1 and 2

[Sorange]

Ryusuke, on 26 February 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

#2: Designers haven't mastered this. Few games have. I'm not talking about Bioware. Those choices can get pretty black and white, and not to mention...predictable. That's not to say the story can't be predictable at times, but they keep doing the same "EVERYTHING'S FINE" or "THE WORLD IS ENDING" endings...it's just not exicting. And considering the story kinda does this whole "choose a side" thing in a very Star Wars fashion, I don't see any point.

I quite agree. One of the failings would be how predictable the choices are. Thank you, I knew I forgot to mention something.

It works for Mass Effect because...well, it's Mass Effect. You're a soldier...IN SPACE!
It works for Infamous because that's how it started out in the first place. You're a freak of nature and you have the choice to help people or be a big meanie.

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I play KH for the story. I don't think KH could be successful if Sora wasn't as strong a character as he is. D:

Hey! You stole the words from my, er, mind! But yes, exactly.

[The 15th Member]

It only works in Infamous sort of...

Don't get my wrong, I like those games, but it doesn't work because of the amazingness of the game's writers. It works because Cole is so dry and lacking in personality. It isn't hard to have him diverge between the two paths because it's only a matter between his serious and stoic, vaguely good self and his sorta grouchy, but not particularly psycho, "whatever", vaguely bad self. Plus, even then, making good or bad choice really doesn't even affect the game's development that much-- especially in the first Infamous game. There are differences, sure, but the only one worth noticing is the one at the end of Infamous 2.
And besides, that's the big, game-selling, main feature of that series.

So yeah, it wouldn't exactly work well for a character like Sora because you'd have to alter his personality, and therefore a ton of other stuff, COMPLETELY for you to have a good/bad version of him.

[Sorange]

The 15th Member, on 26 February 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

Plus, even then, making good or bad choice really doesn't even affect the game's development that much-- especially in the first Infamous game. There are differences, sure, but the only one worth noticing is the one at the end of Infamous 2.
And besides, that's the big, game-selling, main feature of that series.

So yeah, it wouldn't exactly work well for a character like Sora because you'd have to alter his personality, and therefore a ton of other stuff, COMPLETELY for you to have a good/bad version of him.

I don't want to get too off topic, but that's very on point. I didn't feel the difference between the choices the player made (except the different moves you learned). That's something the makers have to be careful with. Basically, without the player, the character is devoid of any emotion but that's just how "make your choice" games are. (I'm not saying they're all like that though.)

KH being turned into that would take the life out of Sora...I still stick with my statement though. Adding a scar to Sora's pretty face might be nice

[Grassy]

We've already had a "make your own choices" thing in KH. Re:coded. Remember? The Castle Oblivion level. I've written my thoughts on this elsewhere:

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On the note of the Castle Oblivion recaps, boy was that stupid. Offering the illusion of choice. Roxas said Sora could do whatever he wanted. Initially, I figured this would mean we could do one of three things: The right thing (what Sora would normally do), a neutral alternate thing, or a bad thing.
But of course this really wasn't the case in hardly any of the worlds. For example: Traverse town only had different cards depending on the order you saved the twins. Lame. It should have been: Save them in the right order, save them in the wrong order, don't save them. Some kind of moral decision making. You should have ACTUALLY been able to steal the White Rabbit's watch or let the card soldier die. And the rest are pretty much time-based. You get different cards based on how long you take to finish certain tasks. Haha, wow, "Anything I want," Roxas?

So KH has tried it already to a small extent and failed, I can only imagine how bad this would be if it spanned an entire game. Part of the problem is that I don't think they would actually give you as much freedom as you would want. Would they actually, say, allow Sora to let someone die? Probably not. That's not what Sora would do, you should know that at this point. And even if they did, it'd ruin the game because:

Shay, on 25 February 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Call me oldschool, but I hate that. I hate having to choose what to say, and I hate how not saying the right thing might have consequences on the game, and I especially hate how it de-personalizes the main character.

I don't play KH for the dazzling graphics, and the fantasy violence, and it's totally unique gameplay...
I play KH for the story. I don't think KH could be successful if Sora wasn't as strong a character as he is. D:

So I hope that never happens..

This, so much.
There's the kind of role playing game where you assume the role of the character you're playing as, and then there's the RPG where you simply play as a character with a pre-existing personality and all that jazz. KH falls firmly into the latter. The day that Sora becomes Commander Shepard, I am immediately done with the series.

I want to know what happens next, I don't want to make my own choices about it. It would be completely uncalled for if they just changed this all of a sudden.

[Captain Hazama]

I see your point, but they also have been chosing your own parts in the beginning of the series, where Tidus, Wakka, and that other girl asked you three questions.

[The 15th Member]

LoveIsOver, on 26 February 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

I see your point, but they also have been chosing your own parts in the beginning of the series, where Tidus, Wakka, and that other girl asked you three questions.

Yes, but that has absolutely no effect on the story... It's not a plot decision at all, it effected how you learned your abilities, I believe. Something similar was incorporated into KHII.

Something like that, of course, is fine. But very different from what we're talking about.

[Captain Hazama]

I see, I thought it actually changes something in the story. lol, im a noob. Also, Nomura is putting in interactive cutscenes in KH 3D but i don't think that effects the story much.

[Tsubasa Uehara]

Iguodala9, on 06 August 2011 - 08:08 AM, said:

Could Kingdom hearts III bring in the choice to make your own decisions?
I know Kingdom hearts is all about the storyline, but many games are now implementing this feature, such as Mass Effect for example
the choices you make throughout the game makes an impact on certain outcomes in the game, for example maybe sora decides to side with one of the disney villians in the world and the world is then transformed into a darker 'manner' for sora to make a 'gain' for himself in his quest! Of course square enix will come up with better choices, however it's a thought, and could make more playthroughs to open up the different endings, maybe it's a silly idea.
what do you think?

In my opinion, it might just happen. But I don't want alternate endings that really affect the storyline that's all.

[Day]

So you want a what-if style to the game?

[Rob]

Day, on 01 March 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

So you want a what-if style to the game?

Yeah, like FF 13-2.

[Day]

Seems kinda legit. Not sure really.

[Rob]

I like KH just as it is.

[Captain Hazama]

Rob, on 01 March 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

I like KH just as it is.

Yeah, Nomura is way too late in the series to do that

[Rob]

LoveIsOver, on 01 March 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Yeah, Nomura is way too late in the series to do that

Yeah, don't change the formula if there's nothing wrong with it.

[ChristianGamer]

I can see the possibility... But if they decide to do it, I hope they do it right and make it really awesome with lots of side effects such as the scars on Sora's face as Sora Angel said. If they do something like Epic Mickey's alternate endings, I don't think that would go over very well... So, my opinion, If they do an awesome job, it could be a good transition...if they're just going to experiment with it, don't bother doing it at all, keep the original formula.

[skydash]

As long as the ending did not change I think it is acceptable.
However, if there's like a scar in Sora's face, I think it would affect the latter series.
But if Sora's story end in KH3, I think it will pose no problem.